Western Sydney Airport (WSI) Discussion

[kookaburra75]

I’m not sure CBR is going to be high on the list for any airline - it’s a little too close to WSI IMO - a bit like SYD-NTL.

But we're a bit more 'special' than NTL. But a CBR-WSI-NTL could work for the govt and Defence folk - probably in a Link Saab 340 though.

 

[kamchatsky]

Another thing to go for WSI is that it is curfew free.

SQ flight departs at 23:55 meaning that check-in starts at 20:55, say 9pm. This allows Sydneysiders to have dinner first (after work), then drive to WSI, arriving there at 9-10:30pm. Check-in and immigration would be fast given all the automated features provided.

SYD cannot provide this convenience in terms of timing, at least for SQ anyway. SQ242 departs at 7pm, meaning check-in at 4-5:30pm. Lots of people still work at that time.

TR departs later but then land at SIN at ungodly hours of 1am or 3am.

I think this flight would work quite well. I would expect the Fri night flight to be popular.

 

[Beer_budget]

But we're a bit more 'special' than NTL. But a CBR-WSI-NTL could work for the govt and Defence folk - probably in a Link Saab 340 though.

Modern day stagecoach route for general domestic, agree there'd be no demand, I really was just thinking about the VA-SQ partnership and broadening the demand for the WSI flights by adding domestic connections (CBR is just selfishness on my part but you get the idea).

We don't currently bother with domestic connection flights when flying out of Sydney, the Murrays/Rydges combo usually costs the same and is a more relaxed start to a holiday than changing terminals at SYD, especially since we usually book SQ232 unless we're connecting to MAN.

 

[jase05]

The more people who want to have a lesser experience at WSI,

I’ll give you the lounges as they won’t be anywhere near what SYD has but in terms of airport experience WSI should be leaps and bounds ahead in nearly every other aspect.
Those on AFF don’t represent the majority of travelers. The vast majority are travelling in Y with no status so what’s important to them is things like check in, immigration, baggage etc off which WSI will offer a far better experience

 

[RooFlyer]

People who live in Sydney proper. Very easy to get to with choice of fast Uber, Train or Bus. Excellent choice of lounges.

Sydney proper ( chortle).

Rather than transport, which for someone not in Sydney is less relevant, I was talking about the airport itself and the operations.

Separated terminals, very frequent weather interruptions, old infrastructure, curfew, expensive rail etc. I lived in Sydney for 10 years from the mid ‘90s and it was a pretty coughpy airport then ( although the lounges were fresher and less crowded back then ).

People who love and use SYD should be giving thanks for WSI in their prayers every night. SYD has no room for growth. So, without WSI what would SYD be like in 10 or 20 years time?

Remembering when SYD opened and for decades later the population in its catchment was much much smaller than what WSI is claiming at launch.

Exactly. And like SYD, WSI will develop commensurate with demand and infrastructure likewise. SYD wasn’t built in a day.

 

[mel-world]

Some of the long haul carriers (and delayed flights out of PER, or elsewhere) will appreciate a curfew free option near SYD rather than having to divert to BNE or MEL if they mistime their arrival by a couple of minutes due to headwinds etc. I'm sure their passengers will prefer an expensive UBER home rather than an overnight or a long bus ride back to SYD.

 

[stu961]

People who live in Sydney proper. Very easy to get to with choice of fast Uber, Train or Bus. Excellent choice of lounges.

The D (T3) --> I (T1) transfer bus is simple, not sure why people complain; its faster than the inter terminal busses at BNE or PER. And SYD has most international destinations served of any airport in Australia.

SYD was still the first airport in Australia to get a rail link on a line that connects into others. So yes it may have taken the Olympics to get it opened, but its not a side connection to one not very popular station aka St Mary's that WSI will eventually have.

Remembering when SYD opened and for decades later the population in its catchment was much much smaller than what WSI is claiming at launch.

Guess Northern Beaches is not Sydney proper!!!

 

[AuSammy]

Sydney proper



Maybe WSI is in the wrong side of the railway track

 

[Aeryn]

Doubt anyone on Northern Beaches will be using WSI, if they complain about distance to SYD cant imagine would want to go even further with less PT to WSI.

From northern beaches there are regular busses to city from where you can get train direct to SYD. And an uber or taxi to SYD from Northern beaches also much cheaper than to WSI.

Transferring from D to I at SYD is easy, use the airside bus, or the landside bus or the train or an uber/taxi. Funny how the SYD haters complain constantly and dont even live in Sydney, yet never mention BNE or PER which is same set up but lacking an airside transfer.

Not sure why check in would be any easier at WSI than any other aussie airport, its all online and automated bag drop pretty much everywhere now. No waiting at SYD ime. SYD also already has the new xray machines where you dont have to take anything out of your bags at security, so no different to WSI.

 

[PineappleSkip]

Just looking at the promised bus journey times, and the stated times from WSI aren’t promising. 60 minutes to Mt Druitt station, 55-67 minutes to Liverpool.

Looking at the local connectivity times suggests that Leppington Station looks like the sweet spot for Revesby, my usual destination in SW Sydney, with about 30 minutes by bus to Leppington and similar by train to Revesby. I’ll give it a burl, but it will be a once off for the novelty value. Revesby is 15 minutes by train from SYD.

If you’re heading to the City it’s 50 minutes by train from Mt Druitt, or an hour and a quarter from Leppington, so either way about 2 hours point to point.

 

[LionKing]

Just looking at the promised bus journey times, and the stated times from WSI aren’t promising. 60 minutes to Mt Druitt station, 55-67 minutes to Liverpool.

Looking at the local connectivity times suggests that Leppington Station looks like the sweet spot for Revesby, my usual destination in SW Sydney, with about 30 minutes by bus to Leppington and similar by train to Revesby. I’ll give it a burl, but it will be a once off for the novelty value. Revesby is 15 minutes by train from SYD.

If you’re heading to the City it’s 50 minutes by train from Mt Druitt, or an hour and a quarter from Leppington, so either way about 2 hours point to point.

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So by SQ201 arrived WSI, all busses would have gone.

Therefore millions of Singaporeans, Malaysians and Indonesians who just arrived in Australia to study, dig gold, work hard and earn money and make real contribution to our society must first suffer from sleeping in the airport overnight or pay $150 for Uber to their hotel or Airbnb.

How fair are we to treat our neighbours like that.

WSI will not only serve Western Sydneysiders. They will serve mainly those who are studying, working (digging gold) and touring Australia, and most of those activities are in Eastern Sydney, that's just a fact.

There's no tourist destination in Western Sydney, and I presume at least half of passengers on SIN-WSI are on 482, 485, 500 and 600 visas.

 

[AuSammy]

So by SQ201 arrived WSI, all busses would have gone.

Therefore millions of Singaporeans, Malaysians and Indonesians who just arrived in Australia to study, dig gold, work hard and earn money and make real contribution to our society must first suffer from sleeping in the airport overnight or pay $150 for Uber to their hotel or Airbnb.

How fair are we to treat our neighbours like that.

WSI will not only serve Western Sydneysiders. They will serve mainly those who are studying, working (digging gold) and touring Australia, and most of those activities are in Eastern Sydney, that's just a fact.

There's no tourist destination in Western Sydney, and I presume at least half of passengers on SIN-WSI are on 482, 485, 500 and 600 visas.

Come on be real.

Firstly there are not anywhere near to being millions

Secondly if there is a choice anyone with a scrap of intelligence would pick the best destination airport to suit their requirements and not go out of their way to be stranded.

 

[stu961]

Doubt anyone on Northern Beaches will be using WSI, if they complain about distance to SYD cant imagine would want to go even further with less PT to WSI.

From northern beaches there are regular busses to city from where you can get train direct to SYD. And an uber or taxi to SYD from Northern beaches also much cheaper than to WSI.

Transferring from D to I at SYD is easy, use the airside bus, or the landside bus or the train or an uber/taxi. Funny how the SYD haters complain constantly and dont even live in Sydney, yet never mention BNE or PER which is same set up but lacking an airside transfer.

Not sure why check in would be any easier at WSI than any other aussie airport, its all online and automated bag drop pretty much everywhere now. No waiting at SYD ime. SYD also already has the new xray machines where you dont have to take anything out of your bags at security, so no different to WSI.

Doubt anyone on Northern Beaches will be using WSI, if they complain about distance to SYD cant imagine would want to go even further with less PT to WSI.

From northern beaches there are regular busses to city from where you can get train direct to SYD. And an uber or taxi to SYD from Northern beaches also much cheaper than to WSI.

Transferring from D to I at SYD is easy, use the airside bus, or the landside bus or the train or an uber/taxi. Funny how the SYD haters complain constantly and dont even live in Sydney, yet never mention BNE or PER which is same set up but lacking an airside transfer.

Not sure why check in would be any easier at WSI than any other aussie airport, its all online and automated bag drop pretty much everywhere now. No waiting at SYD ime. SYD also already has the new xray machines where you dont have to take anything out of your bags at security, so no different to WSI.

It's not complaining about the distance to SYD, it's the "Very easy to get to with choice of fast Uber, Train or Bus"... SYD is great for a lot of people but not for everyone, having a choice is better than no choice.

 

[elanshin]

SYD was still the first airport in Australia to get a rail link on a line that connects into others. So yes it may have taken the Olympics to get it opened, but its not a side connection to one not very popular station aka St Mary's that WSI will eventually have.

Its already signalled that the extension of the leppington line will likely happen. In the Sydney transport master plans, the extension of the western metro goes through WSI (thats the city - Parramatta line being built now). The high speed rail project has WSI as a terminus at 2042 (still to be approved). I'd say that there's going yo be solid support going forward.

Again i would stop trying to judge and justify WSI in day one. If in 5-10 years its run down and no one using it then sure it failed. But trying to shoot it down before it even opened makes little sense.

 

[LionKing]

Doubt anyone on Northern Beaches will be using WSI, if they complain about distance to SYD cant imagine would want to go even further with less PT to WSI.

From northern beaches there are regular busses to city from where you can get train direct to SYD. And an uber or taxi to SYD from Northern beaches also much cheaper than to WSI.

Driving to WSI will become much faster from Northern Beaches from 2027.

Once Western Harbour Tunnel is completed and operational, you can travel all the way Motorway from North Sydney, Chatswood, Mosman, Manly rect to WSI via M8, M4, M7, M12 on Uber.

Moreover, with the new SQ201/202, I can forsee many students will be bringing luggages and Uber drivers will have a big windfall with many international students hailing Uber to go to WSI from USyd, UNSW, Macquarie, UTS etc. to WSI because it will connect with China and India services very well than SYD, which may require an even more expensive overnight stay in Changi or Katong.

 

[clifford]

Driving to WSI will become much faster from Northern Beaches from 2027.

Once Western Harbour Tunnel is completed and operational, you can travel all the way Motorway from North Sydney, Chatswood, Mosman, Manly rect to WSI via M8, M4, M7, M12 on Uber.

Moreover, with the new SQ201/202, I can forsee many students will be bringing luggages and Uber drivers will have a big windfall with many international students hailing Uber to go to WSI from USyd, UNSW, Macquarie, UTS etc. to WSI because it will connect with China and India services very well than SYD, which may require an even more expensive overnight stay in Changi or Katong.

Yes that's wonderful, but why would anyone bother? I wont.

 

[dajop]

Lots of talk of public transport options. Often these are geared towards workers.

The other and most likely option is private operators running express buses. Likely to see an AVV style Skybus that could be schedule coordinated with flights, at least initially. So you would have an 11:30pm bus after SQ arrival at 10:30pm (or something like that) that might cost $40 to deliver passengers straight to Central Station. (Or to Parramatta Station).

 

[http_x92]

I think some operator will definitely try the City to WSI when there is enough patronage, taking the M8, M5, the M7 and M12. Would take about an hourish

 

[LionKing]

Lots of talk of public transport options. Often these are geared towards workers.

The other and most likely option is private operators running express buses. Likely to see an AVV style Skybus that could be schedule coordinated with flights, at least initially. So you would have an 11:30pm bus after SQ arrival at 10:30pm (or something like that) that might cost $40 to deliver passengers straight to Central Station. (Or to Parramatta Station).

That's what exactly I am thinking.

I am sure some operators will be interested in having some coach service to the city.

 

[L2.]

Looking at the local connectivity times suggests that Leppington Station looks like the sweet spot for Revesby, my usual destination in SW Sydney, with about 30 minutes by bus to Leppington and similar by train to Revesby. I’ll give it a burl, but it will be a once off for the novelty value. Revesby is 15 minutes by train from SYD.

If you’re heading to the City it’s 50 minutes by train from Mt Druitt, or an hour and a quarter from Leppington, so either way about 2 hours point to point.

You can get from Leppington to Central in 53 minutes if you swap trains at Glenfield onto the T8 line. It's a very easy timed connection across the platform.

It sounds like initially this would most likely be the fastest PT route from WSI to the Sydney CBD in about 90 minutes.

This journey also passes through SYD, so it would also help to rub in the comparative distance of WSI.