Western Sydney Airport (WSI) Discussion

[Beano]

I remember as early as the mid-1990s people were buying into the area near Badgery's Creek (e.g. Orchard Hills) and then trying to run petition campaigns to oppose the airport. Totally ridiculous.

It will only get more intensive. Over the year more development may challenge the 24/7 status. It's inevitable but may take some time.

 

[jase05]

It will only get more intensive. Over the year more development may challenge the 24/7 status. It's inevitable but may take some time.

I would think close to zero chance that the status will change

 

[Beano]

I would think close to zero chance that the status will change

Are you suggesting that new residents will tolerate late night/early morning flight movements? The whole area is prime for development, and hey there's an airport nearby to make your travel experience more enjoyable!

 

[jase05]

Are you suggesting that new residents will tolerate late night/early morning flight movements? The whole area is prime for development, and hey there's an airport nearby to make your travel experience more enjoyable!

I’m saying it’s a fully government owned airport that is future proofing the transport needs of Sydney for hopefully the next hundred years and the government simply can’t afford for it to be a white elephant. You have many large operations such as mine spending millions if not billions to move operations out there on the guarantee of no curfew. The very minute this is even threatened than we would pull up stumps and look at other options. If a cuefew is ever imposed WSI becomes a lame duck

 

[SeatBackForward]

It will only get more intensive. Over the year more development may challenge the 24/7 status. It's inevitable but may take some time.

"Build it, and they will come. And then complain"

 

[Beano]

I’m saying it’s a fully government owned airport that is future proofing the transport needs of Sydney for hopefully the next hundred years and the government simply can’t afford for it to be a white elephant. You have many large operations such as mine spending millions if not billions to move operations out there on the guarantee of no curfew. The very minute this is even threatened than we would pull up stumps and look at other options. If a cuefew is ever imposed WSI becomes a lame duck

You can never be certain that an empty piece of land will stay that way. It may take many years but it will come.

 

[SeatBackForward]

You can never be certain that an empty piece of land will stay that way. It may take many years but it will come.

The argument for the curfew at SYD was that the airport got busier as the suburbs around it grew more populated.

Given that WSI has clearly state its expected growth, anyone in an affected area would find it hard to complain that they weren't aware of it.

 

[jase05]

You can never be certain that an empty piece of land will stay that way. It may take many years but it will come.

Maybe but they may aswell close WSI down now and stop wasting everyone’s time. MEL has remained and will always remain curfew free so no reason why WSI can’t. If you want to make somewhere the freight hub of Australia then a zero curfew is a non negotiable and I know we would hold the government to that promise

 

[elanshin]

You can never be certain that an empty piece of land will stay that way. It may take many years but it will come.

I think they're trying hard to stop Sydney randomly sprawling now. Its more strategic development and building up.

We actually can't afford (both financially and metaphorically) to continually build outwards until we've built upwards somewhat more.

 

[RooFlyer]

You can never be certain that an empty piece of land will stay that way. It may take many years but it will come.

that would depend on the planning scheme. I wonder if the cleaning EDIT: planning scheme currently allows new residential development close under the flight path?

 

[kookaburra75]

that would depend on the planning scheme. I wonder if the cleaning scheme currently allows new residential development close under the flight path?

The NSW Govt Development Control Plan mentions a mix of uses, including residential, but specifically calls out:
"...safeguard the 24-hour operations of the Western Sydney International (Nancy-Bird Walton) Airport (WSI)"

Western Sydney Aerotropolis Development Control Plan | Planning

The Phase 2 Development Control Plan supports the Precinct Plan by providing controls for development across the initial precincts in the Aerotropolis.

www.planning.nsw.gov.au

 

[jpp42]

that would depend on the planning scheme. I wonder if the [planning] scheme currently allows new residential development close under the flight path?

Of course not - a huge part of the whole business case for WSI is the 24-hour status and they would not be so stupid as to throw that away by allowing new residential development in the direct/loudest part of the flight paths. There are a small number of existing residents, and the NIMBY's are crowing about how badly it will affect that handful, but the fact is the airport has been planned for decades and these residents will also get money for things like double-glazing. Appropriate use of the direct flight path land is also critical to the planning of new commercial and industrial development in the area, such as Western Sydney Aerotropolis and the new community of Bradfield. Mostly the land directly under the flight paths at low altitude will be used for industrial/logistics which is perhaps the most compatible land use, with some preserved as open space.

 

[wandering_fred]

they would not be so stupid as to throw that away

Why would I suspect that this statement is overly optimistic when referring to government decisions.
Suspicions not based on excessive wandering
Fred

 

[Beano]

Of course not - a huge part of the whole business case for WSI is the 24-hour status and they would not be so stupid as to throw that away by allowing new residential development in the direct/loudest part of the flight paths. There are a small number of existing residents, and the NIMBY's are crowing about how badly it will affect that handful, but the fact is the airport has been planned for decades and these residents will also get money for things like double-glazing. Appropriate use of the direct flight path land is also critical to the planning of new commercial and industrial development in the area, such as Western Sydney Aerotropolis and the new community of Bradfield. Mostly the land directly under the flight paths at low altitude will be used for industrial/logistics which is perhaps the most compatible land use, with some preserved as open space.

I stayed at a hotel at the end of a 24/7 airport runway. It had triple glazing and it worked. Double glazing only muffles slightly and depends on the type. But good to see they planned ahead. I retract my statements!

 

[Melburnian1]

Like AVV, Western Sydney Airport will have a distinct three letter code that's dissimilar to the capital city airport.

Many travellers are informed and would never make this mistake, but is it going to be a problem for the great unwashed (and even some foreign travel agents) that if (say) SQ has one flight a day from SIN to the new airport, some travellers end up being booked to the 'wrong' airport?

Does this already occur with JQd flights to/from Avalon?

 

[Beano]

Just how many PAX flights are there to and from AVV? I can only see about 14 to 20. Is this what to expect at WSI?

 

[jase05]

Just how many PAX flights are there to and from AVV? I can only see about 14 to 20. Is this what to expect at WSI?

No,.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
WSI will be seeing more passengers than ADL within 10 years

 

[moa999]

In any event there are many cities these days that have multiple airports.. and pax and travel agents mostly realise this.

 

[dajop]

but is it going to be a problem for the great unwashed (and even some foreign travel agents) that if (say) SQ has one flight a day from SIN to the new airport, some travellers end up being booked to the 'wrong' airport?

Less of a problem ending up in WSI than in Sydney, NS. (YQY)

 

[Beano]

No,.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
WSI will be seeing more passengers than ADL within 10 years

Probably what was said about AVV, but then WSI has more infrastructure around it.