Western Sydney Airport (WSI) Discussion

[Quickstatus]

Or they have to be on hold and then fly to SYD when curfew is over?

"On hold" meaning wait in the air or on the ground?

 

[kamchatsky]

"On hold" meaning wait in the air or on the ground?

On the ground

 

[Quickstatus]

On the ground

Yes they will have to land at an airport that will allow them a clearance to land and then after that fly to SYD when curfew ends.

Example
BNE-SYD takes off but misses curfew by 1 minute and curfew dispensation not approved. Does it fly back to BNE or go to WSI?

Landing at WSI better because the passengers can easily road trip to wherever they are going - somewhere in Sydney or surrounding regional centres.
Landing at WSI allows pilots and crew to go home (assuming that as it is the last flight they are based in Sydney. It means that the crew are not displaced and out of position.
WSI-SYD is a slightly shorter flight in time than having to do another BNE-SYD

 

[clifford]

easily road trip to wherever they are going

?

 

[Lynda2475]

Landing at WSI better because the passengers can easily road trip to wherever they are going - somewhere in Sydney or surrounding regional centres.

Your definition of easy is very different to mine.

SYD-Home max of $30 (much much cheaper if before midnight) and 15mins. WSI-Home >$200 and at least 90mins if you can actually get a ride willing to drive so far out of area.

Doubt there would be enough regional drivers willing to drive to Sydney if an A380 was diverted to WSI. I can imagine the surge pricing exceeding $500 easily. Cheaper to return to bne and pay for a hotel; then land early next morning.

I don't have an issue with a second airport just the absolutely useless location of such.

 

[justinbrett]

Yes they will have to land at an airport that will allow them a clearance to land and then after that fly to SYD when curfew ends.

Example
BNE-SYD takes off but misses curfew by 1 minute and curfew dispensation not approved. Does it fly back to BNE or go to WSI?

Landing at WSI better because the passengers can easily road trip to wherever they are going - somewhere in Sydney or surrounding regional centres.
Landing at WSI allows pilots and crew to go home (assuming that as it is the last flight they are based in Sydney. It means that the crew are not displaced and out of position.
WSI-SYD is a slightly shorter flight in time than having to do another BNE-SYD

I think you’ll find they’ll fly back to BNE.

We see this already with BNE/OOL and MEL/AVV. Just easiest to send it back and leave the origin port to deal with it.

If it’s weather etc sure they might divert due to fuel but that’s a different situation to your scenario.

 

[Quickstatus]

Your definition of easy is very different to mine.

And thats my point - a lot of peoole live a lot further away from SYD airport. That you live closer does not mean that significant populations do not live outside of your radius.

Home - SYD is for me what Home - WSI is for you.

I think you’ll find they’ll fly back to BNE.

Lets see what happens

 

[justinbrett]

Lets see what happens

Can already see with MEL and BNE.

 

[Lynda2475]

Home - SYD is for me what Home - WSI is for you.

so you dont actually live in Sydney then.

 

[Quickstatus]

so you dont actually live in Sydney then.

I do but again my point. What you think is Sydney is only a part of Greater Sydney.

 

[SYD]

I don't have an issue with a second airport just the absolutely useless location of such.

You know as well as every other Sydney sider that we weren’t exactly spoilt for choice for sites for a 2nd airport.

You and I won’t be rushing there when it opens but many can’t wait!

 

[yachty]

I do but again my point. What you think is Sydney is only a part of Greater Sydney.

Only the Eastern Suburbs is really Sydney I think is the conclusion we're at

 

[JMB1]

Only the Eastern Suburbs is really Sydney I think is the conclusion we're at

"Everything past the Anzac Bridge is Western Sydney" has become "Anything past the Anzac Bridge ISN'T Sydney"

 

[Lynda2475]

Only the Eastern Suburbs is really Sydney I think is the conclusion we're at

Not at all; and no one has stated such.

"Everything past the Anzac Bridge is Western Sydney" has become "Anything past the Anzac Bridge ISN'T Sydney"

Well Given SYD is over the Anzac Bridge that clearly isn't the case.

Maybe instead of trying to be funny you should look at what has actually been said.

If you are more than 30kms from City of Sydney you know you aren't really in Sydney; no matter how much you try to extend greater Sydney to include regional areas like lower blue mountains, Richmond or Macarthur.



WSI is 60km from Martin Place - that is an absolute crazy distance.

JFK and LGA are both under 27kms from Manhattan. Even Newark which is in a whole different state is only 25kms away.

 

[JMB1]

Not at all; and no one has stated such.


Well Given SYD is over the Anzac Bridge that clearly isn't the case.

Maybe instead of trying to be funny you should look at what has actually been said.

Just a tongue in cheek jab at the not uncommon arbitrary delineation and geographic blindness that goes on in Sydney

While WSI might not be close for you, it'll be closer and more convenient for significant swathes of Western Sydney (Australia's 3rd largest economy) as well as major future growth areas, including Greater Sydney's 3rd CBD literally right on its doorstep

 

[Lynda2475]

I think you need to check your maths on that.

Sydney CBD, North Sydney CBD, Chatswood, and Macquarie Business Park are all much closer to SYD than WSI. Even Paramatta CBD is closer to SYD than WSI.

A CBD at WSI is only a theory it doesnt actually exist. Like Avalon they think if they build it people will come, that is far from a certaity.

Perhaps you care to advise what major Australian companies or international companies with an Australian presence have their headquarters at Badgerys's Creek (or right next to WSI)? None that I (or google) seems to be aware of.

A warehouse or factory doesnt a CBD make.

 

[JMB1]

I think you need to check your maths on that.

Sydney CBD, North Sydney CBD, Chatswood, and Macquarie Business Park are all much closer to SYD than WSI. Even Paramatta CBD is closer to SYD than WSI.

A CBD at WSI is only a theory it doesnt actually exist.

Check my maths on what exactly?

I said significant swathes of Western Sydney would be closer to WSI. Sydney CBD, North Sydney CBD, Chatswood and Macquarie are not considered Western Sydney last I checked.

Bradfield is not theoretical, the master plan has been approved and construction has begun

 

[Lynda2475]

Check my maths on what exactly?

That the 3rd largest CDB in NSW is right near WSI - that is just not true.

I listed all the largest CBDs in Sydney there is only one in the West and that is Paramatta which is closer to SYD then WSI.

There is no CBD at Badgery's Creek, someone has made a sales pitch, but there is no PT connecting it elsewhere nor major businesses head quartered there.

 

[JMB1]

That the 3rd largest CDB in NSW is right near WSI - that is just not true.

I listed all the largest CBDs in Sydney there is only one in the West and that is Paramatta which is closer to SYD then WSI.

There is no CBD at Badgery's Creek, someone has made a sales pitch, but there is no PT connecting it elsewhere nor major businesses head quartered there.

Seems you've misunderstood what I said. Bradfield will be Greater Sydney's third CBD. I didn't say it's Sydney's current 3rd largest CBD

The planning context around the airport and Aerotropolis is pretty clear and far developed beyond a "sales pitch"

A Metropolis of Three Cities | Planning

If PT is your concern, the metro station under the future Bradfield CBD is literally under construction at the moment

 

[moa999]

WSI is 60km from Martin Place - that is an absolute crazy distance.

45km.

But that's why we need a 2nd airport. Sydney is a very large and low density city.
Penrith has been 50km from SYD forever.. how did those people survive.