Vatican museums / Sistine Chapel tour

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After going to major art galleries that do and don't allow photography, it is so much more peaceful and a better experience without.
You find the mona Lisa at the Louvre by the sea of upstretched arms blocking it from view. I've been twice and still haven't seen it. I can't imagine how ghastly it would be in that tiny Sistine chapel if they allowed photography.
You are also relieved of the obligation to wonder if you too should take a photo, and can just wander along and enjoy the art.
 
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Doubt that he/she was "allowed". The reason behind the "no photos" ruling, as explained to me, was that a large benefactor (Japanese?) had put quite a few $$$ into a refurbishment and consequently owns the copyright.

The more likely explanation for "no photos" in any museum or art gallery is that flash photography spoils the experience for others, and most people have no idea how to turn their camera flash to off.

I think that a smaller reason is that institutions want you to buy their souvenirs. And there are some items that should not be exposed to strong light in order to preserve them. Examples I've seen are the Book of Kells in Dublin, and The Scream in Oslo, where they are under dim lighting.
 
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As the home of what are widely regarded as some of the greatest works of art produced by man, the Sistine Chapel in Vatican City is a popular tourist destination (to put it mildly). However, if you've been one of the 4 million visitors to the famous landmark each year, you've probably learned of one aspect of the room filled with Michelangelo's beautiful, biblical frescos that tends to come as a surprise to first-time guests.
There's no photography or video allowed in the Sistine Chapel.
Yes, despite the rules that encourage quiet contemplation of the fantastic, eye-popping art that adorns nearly every inch of the walls and ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, visitors to the chapel will find their experience peppered with terse shouts of “No photo! No video!” from security guards. The prohibition against photography has been in place for several decades now, and while many assume that the no-photography rule is in place to prevent the flashing of cameras from affecting the art, the real reason dates back to the restoration of the chapel's art that began in 1980 and took nearly 20 years to complete.
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When Vatican officials decided to undertake a comprehensive restoration of Michelangelo's art in the chapel, the price tag for such an endeavor prompted them to seek outside assistance to fund the project. In the end, the highest bidder was Nippon Television Network Corporation of Japan, whose $3 million offering (which eventually ballooned to $4.2 million) was unmatched by any entity in Italy or the U.S.
In return for funding the renovation, Nippon TV received the exclusive rights to photography and video of the restored art, as well as photos and recordings of the restoration process by photographer Takashi Okamura, who was commissioned by Nippon TV. While many initially scoffed at the deal, the high-resolution photos provided by Nippon offered a hyper-detailed peek behind all of the scaffolding that hid each stage of restoration, and eventually won oversome critics of the arrangement.
As a result of the deal, Nippon produced multiple documentaries, art books, and other projects featuring their exclusive photos and footage of the Sistine Chapel restoration, including several celebrated collections of the photographic surveys that informed the project.
It's worth noting, however, that the ban on photography within the chapel remains instituted despite the waning of the terms of Nippon's deal. In 1990, The New York Times reported that Nippon's commercial exclusivity on photos expired three years after each stage of the restoration was completed. For example, photos of Michelangelo's epic depiction of “The Last Judgment” were no longer subject to Nippon's copyright as of 1997, as that stage of the restoration was completed in 1994.
For the record, Nippon has stated that their photo ban did not apply to "ordinary tourists," but for simplicity's sake—lest some professional photog disguised himself in Bermuda shorts and socks and sandals—authorities made it an across-the-board policy.
 
The more likely explanation for "no photos" in any museum or art gallery is that flash photography spoils the experience for others, and most people have no idea how to turn their camera flash to off.

I think that a smaller reason is that institutions want you to buy their souvenirs. And there are some items that should not be exposed to strong light in order to preserve them. Examples I've seen are the Book of Kells in Dublin, and The Scream in Oslo, where they are under dim lighting.

Copyright is definitely the reason in a number of museums. In many cases exhibits are on loan and the owners retain copyright.

Photography is allowed in galleries such as the Louvre, the National Gallery in London and many in the US. They don't seem to be worried about flash, although I always have it off.
 
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Mrs GPH and I had the VERY good fortune to be part of an after hours private tour. there were 4 groups of us and we were about 20 per group. Our Guide , a lady named Paula was (we think) the best of the bunch, she took the time (before we entered the Sistine chapel) to explain how it all worked, the art and what it meant etc. , not that I remember it all now. BUT I recall how much better the experience was for the quick lesson first.
I can only imagine how much of a crush it must be with an ordinary ticket .
We also did a guided tour of the Colosseum (I'm sure you can arrange that easily enough) and frankly it too saves a lot of hassle with queue's etc.
 
A century ago I did a fantastic tour of the colosseum and a few other selected monuments, with an American postgrad student, who was also Italian. We were the only people in the colosseum as I remember. She related it to contemporary culture - eg saturday afternoon football match and brought it to life.
 
We did a guided tour of Pompeii with a lovely suntanned Italian lady who was fortyish, wearing skimpy shorts and blouse. Legs to die for. It turned out she was an Archeologist. She did make Pompeii come alive. MrP rated it as the best day ;)ImageUploadedByAustFreqFly1401594613.327533.jpg
 
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We did a guided tour of Pompeii with a lovely suntanned Italian lady who was fortyish, wearing skimpy shirt and blouse. Legs to die for. It turned out she was an Archeologist. She did make Pompeii come alive. MrP rated it as the best day ;)

Wasn't CIT Tour by any chance? using them for Pompeii :) Who should I ask for? Actually, now looking at CIT for Vatican tour as well. I don't think she would be leading that one ...
 
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Wasn't CIT Tour by any chance? using them for Pompeii :) Who should I ask for? Actually, now looking at CIT for Vatican tour as well. I don't think she would be leading that one ...

Not in that outfit anyway. :eek:

We were on a cruise and used "shareashoreexcursion" and they were brilliant. Also toured Amalfi Coast. A heavenly part of the world.
 
I was almost tossed out of the Vatican for swearing at a tour guide who stood between me and a painting and proceeded to wave her little flag around in my face while loudly regurgitating the spiel about said painting. She had her back to the painting so she was also talking into my face. When I politely asked (and motioned) for her to be quiet and move to the side, she refused saying she didn't speak English and carried on with her spiel. I thought it'd be safe to let fly with a choice words for her and where she could stick her little flag, however she must've watched a lot of Quentin Tarantino films because her grasp of English became impeccable. She called over a guard and in perfect Italian proceeded to lay down what I presume was her version of the events. I was given the choice of waiting in the corner until she'd gone or leaving the building. I've hated all tour groups ever since. Not too fond of little flags either. The date that day was 11 September 2001 and as we were coming down from the basilica cupola there were heaps of people crowded around watching a little TV in a shop/cafe(?).

WRT to photography in places like the Sistine Chapel, I used to try to do sneaky, no flash, off the hip things but the results have never been good and I always felt like I wasn't enjoying the very thing I'd come to see because I was too pre-occupied with being sneaky. I often now buy a decent souvenir guide or coffee table type book from the gift shop.
 
I visited the Sistine Chapel back in 2011

Was very glad that we had paid a bit extra to get in at 8am to the Sistine Chapel and the Vatican....before it normally opens at 9am.

Was very few people there then when we entered the Sistine chapel (as it less than 10) and so was able to enjoy. Our tour only had about 10.

Most skip the queue tours get you past the ordinary punters. But only the early entry or after hours tours get you in when few others are there.

Our guide on entry whizzed us through the Vatican to get to Sistine first, and then we backtracked to do a tour of the rest of the Vatican.

We popped back in the Sistine when the tour had finished at about 11am and it was Sardine city and bedlam....not at all the peaceful oasis as we first saw it as in the morning.

When we came out at about noon...we noticed a HUGE queue stretching for ages and not moving......
It took us over 5 minutes walking to get passed the queue!!!

 
Ok, following advice of those here we've decided to forfeit the ordinary entry tickets we bought and have booked not one but two tours! A bit extravagant, but one tour gets us extensive coverage, and probably with the rabble in the Sistine Chapel; the other is 'early access' and should allow enjoyment of the Chapel in 'relative' peace.

Have booked through Cit Tours who come recommended by my TA.

First tour "Extended Vatican Museums and Gardens"** Exclusive partner agreement with the Vatican providing VIP access through a reserved
Door, allowing you to skip all the lines even the priority lines.
** Vatican Gardens
** Bramante Staircase
** Tapestries and Geographical Maps Galleries
** Sistine Chapel
** St Peter s Basilica
** Guide with headphone audio

Second tour, next morning "Exclusive Vatican Partner early access"
**Meet at 7:45am
**Exclusive Partners entrance
** Be part of the first group entering with your map and Audioguide
** Great DVD as a memorabilia

Now, it remains to be seen how 'exclusive' all this is, and how many other 'exclusive' groups will be there at the same early time :) But I am looking forward to seeing the Vatican gardens as well as the museums etc.
 
Ok, following advice of those here we've decided to forfeit the ordinary entry tickets we bought and have booked not one but two tours! A bit extravagant, but one tour gets us extensive coverage, and probably with the rabble in the Sistine Chapel; the other is 'early access' and should allow enjoyment of the Chapel in 'relative' peace.

Have booked through Cit Tours who come recommended by my TA.

First tour "Extended Vatican Museums and Gardens"** Exclusive partner agreement with the Vatican providing VIP access through a reserved
Door, allowing you to skip all the lines even the priority lines.
** Vatican Gardens
** Bramante Staircase
** Tapestries and Geographical Maps Galleries
** Sistine Chapel
** St Peter s Basilica
** Guide with headphone audio

Second tour, next morning "Exclusive Vatican Partner early access"
**Meet at 7:45am
**Exclusive Partners entrance
** Be part of the first group entering with your map and Audioguide
** Great DVD as a memorabilia

Now, it remains to be seen how 'exclusive' all this is, and how many other 'exclusive' groups will be there at the same early time :) But I am looking forward to seeing the Vatican gardens as well as the museums etc.

Hi RooFlyer how did it all go? Need to book for later this year ... just starting the process.

Also need to book a day trip to Pompeii .... any recommendations?
 
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The Vatican tours were good. Their organisation wasn't. (CIT tours weren't part of the picture except the booking front end. All tours done or maybe finally 'arranged' by local organisation - "Seduction Tours" out of Naples / Amalfi. ) I booked Cit via my Travel Agent, not the web site.

I would recommend doing both tours - the first one took us through the gardens, which was great (and large) and hardly anyone else there. Then we did a tour of 'some' of the Vatican museums - they are huge! - and the Sistine chapel which was chokkers, with the general din being pierced by regular calls of 'Silence!' in several languages ;) The guide then showed us the 'short cut' exit from the Sistine (door at the far RH end from entry) where you can leave the Museums and get a short cut to the queue for the St Peter's dome elevator (or stairs). # We continued out of the Sistine and finished up in St Peter's cathedral which to me was an equal highlight to the Sistine.

The next day, our group of about 15 really was the very first group into the complex - amazing. We marched past about 8 or so groups of people in rope lines at the entrance who were also on 'early access' tours! But all they do I get you in, give you a bit of a map, and you are off by yourself. Because I was there the day before, I knew exactly where to go through the maze of halls etc and I think I was second one into the Sistine Chapel and there were still only about 5 of us there for 5 to 10 minutes. Fantastic to get a good look (sitting down!) in actual peace and non-crowded.

Organisation: Hopeless. Both tours were due to meet by the street steps on the opposide side of the street to the entrance. Trouble was, that's where ALL the groups meet, so there are people everywhere, even early. Our tour person on both days was late (not the same person as the guide). and no label or sign that I recall (unlike most of the other tours meeting there!!). The first morning, I managed to spot other similar frantic-looking people who I guessed were part of the same tour. I ended up calling the tour people and actually got some-one on their mobile, who said 'don't worry'. Yes, the organiser turned up and we actually entered on time and met our guide, but not very professional (but typical of Italy, I got to learn). The second morning, the early access one, the person was late again and no-one answered my calls. The person turned up at 7:44am for a 7:45 entry, so we just made it. :evil:

# The line to go up St Peter's dome is amazingly long, out around St Peter's Square and via 1 or 2 lots of security. If you take the 'tour group' exit out of the Sistine, you come out where the queue is about 15 people from the ticket counter, and there is a break in the line due to it being a cross-walkway; the rest of the queue is around a corner, and people are let through by a guard. Sorry if this appals some people, but it is Italy and it is the way to get to the Dome if you are already in the Vatican complex.

Big crush of people at the very top of the Dome but there are some nice ice-cream shops etc on the church roof before you head down. BTW you are allowed to take bottles of water etc through the museum complex - in fact there are vending machines in the arrival/ticket office where you first go in.

Tip: Whoever you book through, get mobile numbers off them and get them to re-assure you that some-one will answer, on the morning. Get them to tell you exactly where on the steps you are to meet - top, bottom, right, middle or left or whatever. There is a decent coffee shop right next to the steps; open at 7:30am I think. Good for breakfast while you wait!

My Pompeii tour was a disaster, but I learned a lot about day tours. I booked 2 half days - pick up from Naples, tour the ruins in the morning, then go up Mt Vesuvius and return to Naples. Cit tours was just a front end. The tour was done by some local group and they 'aggregate' people from different tour bookings - no-one else in my group was from Cit Tours. During the bus pick up of hotels, the organiser was on the phone obviously arranging pick ups of extra people - we made a lot of non hotel stops. Got to Pompeii late, met the guide, invited to shop first while they waited for yet more arrivals. Get on with it!! Tour was shortened due to very late start. Poor tour.

Lunch (included) at a restaurant outside the ruins - fair dinkum, the absolute worst meal you can ever imagine - bulk produced slop. I and half the group ended up getting up and bought some fresh fruit. Afternoon tour also late as they stitched 2 tours into same mini bus - one couple going to a winery, the rest of us up Vesuvius. So we were late at Vesuvius after they dropped the couple off first. Its a bit of a hike to the crater rim where the vehicles drop you off, but very worth it - fantastic views from the top.

Tip: Pompeii: if you go via a tour, try as much as possible to ensure that you will be with the same group from start to finish, and they won't be adding other people or groups along the way. I think some sort of guide is important to truly understand the ruins. I got a tour that picked me up in Naples as I was short of time - if I wasn't so rushed I think I would stay locally.

Edit: I think half a day at Pompeii would be enough, as long as you start early enough - maybe 9am and finished maybe 1pm. there is lots there, but much fairly similar.
 
Thanks RooFlyer don't know if it's old age or things have changed. The first time we toured the Vatican (1993) we just rocked up and purchased tickets ... can't remember excessive queues or any heartache.

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But, with the kids in tow and sufficiently less patience these days - I'll be booking the best tour I can :D
 
Things have changed :).

Last year, I took this pic I think at 8:15am, before regular doors opened. Queue to buy tickets was down to the first corner, at the left.

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Then by an hour or 2 later, the queue had stretched around the previous corner, along the street at the bottom of this next pic, and stretched up the road leading avay from the pic. That's insane!!


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Tip: Pompeii: if you go via a tour, try as much as possible to ensure that you will be with the same group from start to finish, and they won't be adding other people or groups along the way. I think some sort of guide is important to truly understand the ruins. I got a tour that picked me up in Naples as I was short of time - if I wasn't so rushed I think I would stay locally.

Edit: I think half a day at Pompeii would be enough, as long as you start early enough - maybe 9am and finished maybe 1pm. there is lots there, but much fairly similar.

Thinking of doing a private guided tour from Rome that will focus solely on Herculaneum and Pompeii. Since we are a party of four the price isn't that unreasonable compared to taking the fast train to Napoli and making your way from there without a guide.
 
Things have changed :).

Last year, I took this pic I think at 8:15am, before regular doors opened. Queue to buy tickets was down to the first corner, at the left.

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Then by an hour or 2 later, the queue had stretched around the previous corner, along the street at the bottom of this next pic, and stretched up the road leading avay from the pic. That's insane!!


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SOLD! Geez, things are different :shock:
 
It is often said on this forum that everyone is different and have their own needs and what they enjoy varies as a result. I do not want to appear to disagree with the excellent comments so far on this thread; OTOH, I prefer to do my own thing and avoid tour groups. When +1 & I visited the Vatican Museums, we booked online and did the aidiotour. So for an alternative perspective, you could refer to my trip report:

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....d-trip-photos/a-panda-to-tuscany-63392-7.html

An extract follows:

Re: A Panda to Tuscany++

Musei Vaticani & Cappella Sistina

Of course you can book a tour of the Vatican Museums and the Sistine Chapel and pay the price but as I have mentioned previously, tour groups are not my thing. I prefer to walk at my own pace and use an audioguide.

If you are also one to do your own tour, you can rock up on the day and join the very, very long queue; but you would be wise to book online and avoid the queue as we did:

Online Ticket Office




Price is Eur 16 per adult + Eur 4 booking fee giving a total of Eur 20 per adult. (Kids are 8 + 4 = 12 Eur). Add Eur 7 for the audioguide (5 for kids). There is also an option to add lunch.

So +1 & I paid Eur 54 (2 x 27) for the ticket and audioguide. Entry times are from 0900 to 1500 and you book your time, pay with Visa, print the voucher and off you go....easy!

We booked for 0900 to avoid the worst of the crowds.

After crossing the Piazza S. Pietro there were a sign or two along the way:

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The entrance to the museums is from Viale Vaticano (of course):

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If you look closely at the photo above, you may notice that there are two rows of fencing; the one on the left as you head towards the museum entrance is for those who have NOT pre-purchased a ticket. This photo was taken late afternoon after most visitors had left for the day. In the morning the queue will stretch down the street, around the corner and .....

However, if you have purchased your voucher on-line, you go on the right-hand side (the one that the tour groups use). You will probably be checked by an attendant to make sure you are not pushing in; no problem, just show your voucher and it is straight to the entrance and through security.

Once through security you find yourself in the foyer. To your left is a row of ticket booths; on the right-hand end of these ticket booths is one marked something like "groups and on-line check-in". Go there, show your voucher and receive your ticket to enter. When you head upstairs you will find a desk that issues the audioguides. The gentleman there will ask for your audioguide ticket thingy.
:confused: What is he talking about I ask? Apparently, among the stuff given to me downstairs is a small piece of paper that I must now produce:oops:; pity no-one mentioned this down there! Eventually I find it and we are on our way.

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