VA incident at LAX

Status
Not open for further replies.
Thanks for the reply, straitman. It may be the biggest cause; that doesn't really answer why it keeps happening... (i.e. this can't be "natural" or "expected")

Can you get proper treatment for an affliction such as that? A cream perhaps ...

I was thinking that 'rash' was the technical term for the incident. Silly me.... :p :D

Try Vaseline? :mrgreen:
 
A friend of mine was supposed to be on the stricken flight from LAX. As she is flying standby (DJ staff) she is still stuck in LA~! Apparently all Oz-bound flights are heavily booked, all local LAX hotels also heavily booked which has made PAX accom & transport very difficult. She told me she could not believe the chaos and lack of updates/planning...I told her to lodge a complaint :-)
 
A friend of mine was supposed to be on the stricken flight from LAX. As she is flying standby (DJ staff) she is still stuck in LA~! Apparently all Oz-bound flights are heavily booked, all local LAX hotels also heavily booked which has made PAX accom & transport very difficult. She told me she could not believe the chaos and lack of updates/planning...I told her to lodge a complaint :-)

Tell her to call a news service. Then call Virgin back for maximum results ;)
 
777-300ER is the same thing as 77W though isn't it?


It is but why the equipment change, I suspect they have wet leased an aircraft but we will know soon.
 
It is but why the equipment change, I suspect they have wet leased an aircraft but we will know soon.

Is there any ACARS page for LAX to look it up? More broadly, is there a list of reliable ACARS sites at all? Handy things but either I'm in the dark or there isn't a huge number of them.
 
Whilst VA are the opposition, I have sympathy for them here. Until you've driven a car in which the edges are about 120 feet from your viewing position, you won't have any idea of what taxiing is like. And when being pushed, you are at the mercy of the driver, but the first sentence applies to him too.

LAX has very enclosed alleys, closely space taxiways, and vehicles everywhere. We only hear about the incidents that involve Australian aircraft, but I'll bet there are events every day.
 
Read our AFF credit card guides and start earning more points now.

AFF Supporters can remove this and all advertisements

I suspect the change was from -nothing- to 77W.

VA8 is operated by the inbound SYD Aircraft on Mondays, it would appear the aircraft damaged is still in LAX.
 
Whilst VA are the opposition, I have sympathy for them here. Until you've driven a car in which the edges are about 120 feet from your viewing position, you won't have any idea of what taxiing is like. And when being pushed, you are at the mercy of the driver, but the first sentence applies to him too.
Indeed. I have enough trouble towing a caravan or reversing a boat trailer, let alone manoeuvring vehicles of the scale you guys deal with on a daily basis. I am amazed watching movements around the terminals at how accurately those tug drivers seems to be able to get the aircraft into the desired position - most of the time. I wonder if the tug driver thought he was pushing a 777-200 and not a -300?
 
Why are we blaming the tug driver BTW, its usually the ground engineer that tells him where to go and it also meant to look out for where the aircraft is going, unless of course it was one man operation AKA KLM etc.
 
Why are we blaming the tug driver BTW, its usually the ground engineer that tells him where to go and it also meant to look out for where the aircraft is going, unless of course it was one man operation AKA KLM etc.
As with most "incidents" involving aircraft, it may well be a matter of aligning the holes in the cheese and not just a single cause.

Why am I thinking of all those classic comedy sketches/shows with someone directing another person reversing a vehicle - "Keep coming, keep coming, a little more, just a little more, *crash*, woooo, that'll do."
 
Indeed. I have enough trouble towing a caravan or reversing a boat trailer, let alone manoeuvring vehicles of the scale you guys deal with on a daily basis. I am amazed watching movements around the terminals at how accurately those tug drivers seems to be able to get the aircraft into the desired position - most of the time. I wonder if the tug driver thought he was pushing a 777-200 and not a -300?

I can't describe how I back a caravan, but I can do it very accurately. And looking around the caravan park, most people can't. It's just one of those strange perception things.

I would have expected there to be wing walkers, and perhaps someone back near the tail with a radio, so it isn't all up to the driver.

Manoeuvering on the ground can be quite a stressful exercise. In many of the larger aircraft you cannot see the wing tips from the coughpit (767, A380), and in any event trying to judge something at that distance is, at best, difficult. There should be clearance line markings around the airports, but these vary from state to state. Some have accurate ones everywhere, whilst at other places they interfere with the colour of the tarmac, and are absent. Sometimes too, we aren't helped by our fellow aviators, as stopping so as to infringe a clearance line is a game that seems to be played by some airlines as a way of delaying the opposition. One defunct Australian airline was particularly adept at that (i.e. stop well short of holding point markings, so the the tail crosses the clearance line, and that will stop anyone moving behind you...only works if the other bloke notices the position of the line, and has an obvious eventual outcome).

The actual taxiing of the jets is nothing like driving your car. The lines on the taxiway can be either nose gear guidance lines, taxiway centreline markings, guidance markings, and will change from one to the other without any indication. Turn in lines to parking bays are often nose gear lines, and that stands out, but they are just as likely to be nothing more than the extended centreline of the parking bay.

At any corner you have to be very aware that the inside wheel will be well inside your view point. If I were to put the nose gear on the line at most corners, I'd drag the wing gear on the grass. So, you have to run the nose out very wide.

Have a look at how aircraft are parked next time you get a chance. The guidance that is followed by the pilots places their eyes (and it only ever works for the left seat) in a very exact spot. But, the interesting bit is the alignment of the aircraft. It's pretty rare to see one in which the rear of the aircraft is misaligned by more than a foot, and that can only be set up at the initial turn in to the bay. Now, if only people could park their cars that accurately.
 
Why are we blaming the tug driver BTW, its usually the ground engineer that tells him where to go and it also meant to look out for where the aircraft is going, unless of course it was one man operation AKA KLM etc
.
Just brought to mind my previous inquiring thread about remote-controlled pushback tugs (no pun).
 
So is this aircraft back in the air because there dosn't appear to be anymore cancellations.

Was it VPE?
 
The lines on the taxiway can be either nose gear guidance lines, taxiway centreline markings, guidance markings, and will change from one to the other without any indication. Turn in lines to parking bays are often nose gear lines, and that stands out, but they are just as likely to be nothing more than the extended centreline of the parking bay.

At any corner you have to be very aware that the inside wheel will be well inside your view point. If I were to put the nose gear on the line at most corners, I'd drag the wing gear on the grass. So, you have to run the nose out very wide.

So what is the difference between the 3 you mention? The intent of the markings is for you to follow it with your nose gear.

All airfield markings are plotted by airfield engineers and surveyors to ensure the mains of aircraft make the radius of turns. If you operate an aircraft of the type that is approved for that pavement you will have no problem if you keep the nose gear on the guidance marking. Markings are not just painted on pavement without thought.

Lead out and push back lines end once they join the taxiway guidance line. I suspect in this case the tug backed it into the blast fence at the first bay of the finger. It certainly would not be the first time.

I'll bet the nose gear was some ways away from paint.

Meloz
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Become an AFF member!

Join Australian Frequent Flyer (AFF) for free and unlock insider tips, exclusive deals, and global meetups with 65,000+ frequent flyers.

AFF members can also access our Frequent Flyer Training courses, and upgrade to Fast-track your way to expert traveller status and unlock even more exclusive discounts!

AFF forum abbreviations

Wondering about Y, J or any of the other abbreviations used on our forum?

Check out our guide to common AFF acronyms & abbreviations.
Back
Top