VA flight squawks Hijack on the ground at DPS

[N860CR]

Absolute joke. This idiot deserved to be thrown away for a few years for his actions... Yet we'll "leave it up to the Australians"

 

[anat0l]

Absolute joke. This idiot deserved to be thrown away for a few years for his actions... Yet we'll "leave it up to the Australians"

As I said, hitherto that he will likely face a minimal court hearing, plead he was out of character, and be released with perhaps a bond and court costs.

If Virgin Australia put him on no-fly notice and/or take action against him for costing them money for the hijack call, I might have to eat a hat.

I'd assume that a hijack call doesn't really cost the airline anything as such, except for lost time and being out of position and compensating displaced passengers. It's not like any authority (e.g. Bali) would have the gall to "fine" or "charge" an airline who calls a hijack (or medical emergency), even if they lost so and so amount; it'd be part of their "risk" so they'd just "eat it". Virgin Australia, I suppose, might similarly view that "these things happen" and are unfortunate; on the premise that you can't squeeze enough orange juice for the army out of a single orange, they might just eat the event and the consequences, too.

 

[under the radar]

Absolute joke. This idiot deserved to be thrown away for a few years for his actions... Yet we'll "leave it up to the Australians"

I give up!! (throws arms up in the air):shock:

maybe Indonesia is starting its own policy - 'turn the bogans back' ... ('payback' for Australia's 'turn the boats back' policy)

 

[Lonely Flyer]

I am offended by the attack on Queenslanders. It is a well known fact that most of the criminals and deviates in Queensland have come from Melbourne to bask in our wonderful weather.

 

[anat0l]

So it seems that the "freak out" on board which caused the panic for hijack was a "panic attack".

Given that it's seated mainly as a psychologically induced action and that no one was hurt, it's more than likely he will be sent home without any charge or prejudice. Unless he's making it all up.

 

[under the radar]

So it seems that the "freak out" on board which caused the panic for hijack was a "panic attack".

Given that it's seated mainly as a psychologically induced action and that no one was hurt, it's more than likely he will be sent home without any charge or prejudice. Unless he's making it all up.

looking forward to his next 'avenue' of 'explanation'... eventually he will use them all up!! gotta love the 'psychological' avenue some people take to justify their 'behaviour'....its an insult to those that actually live with/have such conditions/afflictions... sorry for my harsh assessment of this particular individual.. but it seems he keeps chopping n changing his 'story' to save his a**e

 

[drron]

Yes he originally blamed the drugs he took.
Probably told that excuse would not fly so a panic attack it is.

 

[MarkD]

I hope so! I would encourage the Indonesians arrest the flight deck crew, and charge VA directly for the costs associated with closing the airport and deploying the military. And add on top of it all, a whopping huge fine to boot!

Seriously??????? I usually read your posts and find most of them rational and sensible. Sorry this one is not one of those posts. That dumbarse should just behave himself fullstop. He is a moron

 

[JohnK]

I'd assume though JohnK, that due to the amount of your travel and the fact you don't appear to make the headline news very often (at least I assume not), that's probably not the case so I must say I don't understand your question.

You questioned whether people on prescription medication should be allowed to fly.

Everyone is not the same.

 

[under the radar]

You questioned whether people on prescription medication should be allowed to fly.

Everyone is not the same.

I agree...even during my 25yrs as a F/A using prescription medication... I managed to fly/work effectively and did a damn fine job too... without 'problems'... because I took responsibility for my situation along with my GPs expertise/knowledge..some people think that taking prescription medicine is 'safe'...but there are so many variables involved!!

ooops...sorry for oversharing

 

[N860CR]

It's quite funny reading the claimed "chain of events"

1) Snoozed for a few hours before waking up to be served a meal (passed out, woke up when the booze cart was coming past and demanded something).
2) Was talking to the passenger next to him (starting a bogan fight)
3) Cabin crew suggested he sit in the back row (was forced to be moved)
4) Decided he needed to go to the toilet and, instead of using the two rear toilets, made his was calmly towards to one forward toilet (stormed aggressively up the aisle)
5) Knocked on the toilet door (slammed his fists repeatedly on the coughpit door)
6) A business class passenger asked him to be quiet and sit down (someone had finally had enough and got him away from the coughpit)
7) As he had knocked on the coughpit door, the crew had no choice but to restrain him (he was behaving erratically and a threat to the passengers and crew)

Now, of course, the mainstream media has elected to name the "pilot and co-pilot" (I don't know why Captain and First Officer are two terms so hard to grasp) and blame them for the ordeal by not "cancelling the hijack button", claiming VA are "pointing the finger at ATC" and making said bogan out to be a victim of this horrible travesty by those big, mean, dramatic, overpaid pilots and the big, corporate, foreign owned Virgin Australia

How this countries media gets away with writing stories made up of blatant lies without any research is beyond me.

 

[dk4]

That dumbarse should just behave himself fullstop. He is a moron

My post was not in regard to my thoughts about the "dumbarse" (as you call him) banging on the reinforced door, rather the "dumbarses" seated on the other side of it.

If Virgin wants to put "princesses" on the flight deck, in pilot and co-pilot uniforms, there will be repercussions for the airline, as there should be.

CASA mandates that cabin crew should be trained, and able to deal with disruptive passenger situations, if they also failed to do their job, they should be held to account as well (but reports seem to indicate they acted effectively in subduing the passenger).

IMO any dumbarse that pushes the ultimate big red panic button, just because they are confronted with a difficult passenger situation, should think long and hard about their RPT career trajectory!

 

[N860CR]

My post was not in regard to my thoughts about the "dumbarse" (as you call him) banging on the reinforced door, rather the "dumbarses" seated on the other side of it.

If Virgin wants to put "princesses" on the flight deck, in pilot and co-pilot uniforms, there will be repercussions for the airline, as there should be.

CASA mandates that cabin crew should be trained, and able to deal with disruptive passenger situations, if they also failed to do their job, they should be held to account as well (but reports seem to indicate they acted effectively in subduing the passenger).

IMO any dumbarse that pushes the ultimate big red panic button, just because they are confronted with a difficult passenger situation, should think long and hard about their RPT career trajectory!

Exceptionally offensive post.

Not sure about VA policy, but in all my airline experience, an attack on the flight deck is the highest level of security threat and REQUIRES the crew to respond with the highest possible action (I'd hazard a guess that the VA policy is the same).

Let me put a scenario to you. Everything's exactly the same, however the person in question is of middle eastern origins and screaming in Arabic. Would your opinion be different? I'm pretty sure it would be. My point - one rule for all, not just one for "bogans" and one for everyone else who fits a certain demographic.

 

[markis10]

CASA mandates that cabin crew should be trained

CASA also mandates that the flight crew are responsible for the safety of the plane, which is not their penultimate responsibility but is in fact their primary one. Aviate, Navigate then Communicate. After 9/11, the benefit of doubt is almost non existent, get it on the ground then sort it out.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

You questioned whether people on prescription medication should be allowed to fly.Everyone is not the same.

Well, not quite.......here's what I questioned......

is there a requirement that people on medication which can cause confusion and erratic behaviour, not fly?

My additional bolding for clarity!

 

[JohnK]

Well, not quite.......here's what I questioned......


My additional bolding for clarity!

The medication I am on may cause confusion and erratic behaviour and many more horrible side effects. It doesn't mean these side effects will be experienced by everyone.

Better safe than sorry?

 

[Deleted member 29185]

Better safe than sorry?

That was just the question I was asking......but you're asking me? I don't have the answer and I note no one else has been forthcoming with an answer. Personally, I believe the well being a few hundred people must come before the convenience of the person who needs the medication. As you say, people do react differently and I think the onus should be on the medicated person to guarantee everyone on the plane, the owners of the plane and the insurers of the plane that they do not present any heightened risk, or if they do present a heightened risk, that they have taken steps to reduce the possibilities of a risk based incident and I would assume notifying the airline might be one of those steps.

I was actually wondering if any terms of carriage cover that.

 

[Brisbane Flyer]

But John, that is why you wash it down with copious amounts of alcohol and golf stories...so its controlled. With me, my meds are perfectly fine, now that I have given up drinking (for a little while).

God help me (and those around me) when I start drinking again and taking all those coloured pills and its only 14 hrs from LAX to BNE...

The medication I am on may cause confusion and erratic behaviour and many more horrible side effects. It doesn't mean these side effects will be experienced by everyone.

Better safe than sorry?

 

[JohnK]

I was actually wondering if any terms of carriage cover that.

I don't think they do. And rightly so.

If you see the possible side effects of any medication the majority of people should lock themselves inside.

P.S I am not having a go at you.

 

[dk4]

Once the flight crew have indicated that they have been hijacked, perspectives change...

...After 9/11...

...the situation becomes - primarily about the safety of the people on the ground!

Adding further complication to the event, was the flight deck continuing to use secondary measures to advise of hijack (once the disruptive passenger situation had been resolved by cabin crew), as it may lead those on the ground to believe primary communication had been compromised or crew were communicating under duress.

So, after that big bad red button was pressed on the flight deck, the real threat to the people on board, became being blown out of the sky by the Indonesian Air Force, over open water before the aircraft reached the population of Bali. (Seeing as I have needed to spell it out.)