US election 2020

[RooFlyer]

It appears not for some as they are in total denial about the facts and will ignore them to suit their purpose where it is evident from dozens of different sources with actual court cases, statements made, witnesses, legislative moves that the contrary to their position is the only logical conclusion.

Sure to that and much of the rest. But to counter it, I don't think trotting out a dozen links seemingly on much the same subject does much. Are those web sites all part of your daily read, or are they just a search result? I dare say I could get a bunch of sites to say the opposite, but I just can't be bothered. The US election is turning into a choice between two 'deplorables' ( to coin a phrase) and a lose-lose outcome.

 

[RooFlyer]

And, accusing others of having a psychiatrist illness because one does not agree with their view does help anyone.

Is Trump Derangement Syndrome a recognised illness? But anyway,I think it's use is more a reaction to certain *repeated* ( ad nausium) lines of argument rather than non agreement with particular views. Lots of Trump haters here argue quite effectively without exhibiting TDS.

 

[NoName]

Is Trump Derangement Syndrome a recognised illness? But anyway,I think it's use is more a reaction to certain *repeated* ( ad nausium) lines of argument rather than non agreement with particular views. Lots of Trump haters here argue quite effectively without exhibiting TDS.

Agree with this. It is definitely a reaction to repeated, ad nausium, Trump bashing. It’s almost always trotted out by those who feel it necessary to repeatedly, ad nausium, defend Trump against any criticism no matter how valid. Which is ironically, just as deranged. I’m sure you would agree.

 

[p--and--t]

Sure to that and much of the rest. But to counter it, I don't think trotting out a dozen links seemingly on much the same subject does much. Are those web sites all part of your daily read, or are they just a search result? I dare say I could get a bunch of sites to say the opposite, but I just can't be bothered. The US election is turning into a choice between two 'deplorables' ( to coin a phrase) and a lose-lose outcome.

I'm one of those persons who remains a bit sceptical on reading any single source particularly where, as common in the media, it contains a significant proportion of opinion.

The point of the links was instead of a single source from a single organisation relying on a single or small number of instances to come to a conclusion, there are a wide variety of sources from a wide variety of organisations who present a wide variety of facts, records of actions, records of interviews and statements and other references which I can double check and can be accumulated to form a view that their individual conclusions are most likely valid due to the over whelming number of points that are made.

If you looked at some of those links you will find they used different interviews and different actions over many decades, coming from different angles, but all ended up at the same place, that the current incumbent, is a undeniably a racist, was a racist and has always been a racist due, it appears most likely, the attitude being drummed into him by his father.

Again YMMV

 

[Tropic]

About 5 days to go before Biden names his VP pick.........

Creepy Uncle Joe or Dirty Donald... What a choice...

 

[mel-world]

About 5 days to go before Biden names his VP pick.........

Now that will be interesting. Historically, the choice has not had a big effect on the overall result except in the VP's State (and maybe putting Cain's choice of Palin aside), but this year maybe different as he will choose a woman and maybe a coloured woman as well.

Given Biden's age, there is even a chance that this VP choice, if elected, maybe President in the next 4 years. But then again, Pence maybe President before 2024 as well.

 

[GoldCanyon340]

Just came across this thread so I'm unsure if what I'm saying now has been discussed already....

Last week on the fivethirtyeight podcast they discussed how 39 states have now allowed or extended widespread absentee voting. So the election result may not be known for a week or more (the NY state election a month ago still does not have an official result). Also that more Republican voters vote in person so if Democrat voters do not bother mailing their vote then this could result in a major swing to Trump.

 

[dajop]

Given Biden's age, there is even a chance that this VP choice, if elected, maybe President in the next 4 years. But then again, Pence maybe President before 2024 as well.

Yes, given the age of both, probably worthwhile taking a look at the VP's

I think I've said this before, we often look at things through the lens of generations, it's astonishing that in the US 3 of 4 most influential positions in US politics this year ( an election year ) - the Democratic Nominee for President, the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority leader, are all from the "Silent Generation" that preceded the Baby Boomers. Even Trump, born in 1946 is only just a Baby Boomer, which seems to cover 1946-1964.

Contrast to Australia, where our state premiers and PM are squarely Gen X'ers - between 48 and 55. Albo, like Trump, is a Baby Boomer, although at the other end of the age range. In fact we only have five federal members of parliament born in the 1940's. Most (former politicians) in that age group, if still with us, are probably either enjoying their retirement, speaking engagements or directorships!

Strange place that USA

 

[dajop]

Interesting for those who think the anti-Trumpers are just loonie psycho lefts, there's been a few grass root Republicans allowing themselves to be used in videos floating around on YouTube. If they're not authentic they are pretty convincing. He's walking a tight rope between his base, and some more traditional republicans.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Just came across this thread so I'm unsure if what I'm saying now has been discussed already....

Last week on the fivethirtyeight podcast they discussed how 39 states have now allowed or extended widespread absentee voting. So the election result may not be known for a week or more (the NY state election a month ago still does not have an official result). Also that more Republican voters vote in person so if Democrat voters do not bother mailing their vote then this could result in a major swing to Trump.

Well if there are legal disputes in various States, they should be settled before presidential electors need to vote on 16 December. These votes are tabulated in January.

Any subsequent legal disputes about the presidential electors‘ actions can also occur after that.

About the Electors | National Archives

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Now that will be interesting. Historically, the choice has not had a big effect on the overall result except in the VP's State (and maybe putting Cain's choice of Palin aside), but this year maybe different as he will choose a woman and maybe a coloured woman as well.

Given Biden's age, there is even a chance that this VP choice, if elected, maybe President in the next 4 years. But then again, Pence maybe President before 2024 as well.

I personally think it’s down to 4 choices

Senator Kamala Harris - probably most suitable, but did sledge Biden during the early primary phase and asa result some around Biden don’t trust her

Ambassador Susan Rice - probably next most suitable but doesn’t really make up for any policy weaknesses Biden might have and hasn’t run for elected office.

Senator Tammy Duckworth - purple heart Vet, from mid West, but having born outside US might give room for discussion whether birthright citizenship is the same as natural born requirement under the Constitution

Representative Karen Bass - would probably be a loyal VP, but doesn’t really offer generational change

Of course, there is a plethora of other options.

Being a VP doesn’t necessarily mean you get the big chair at the next election (2024) unless the President dies or is incapacitated in office (And maybe if elected but died or incapacitated before inauguration).

 

[GoldCanyon340]

Well if there are legal disputes in various States, they should be settled before presidential electors need to vote on 16 December. These votes are tabulated in January.

Any subsequent legal disputes about the presidential electors‘ actions can also occur after that.

It's not about legal disputes, more the fact that a portion of the electorate may be disenfranchised by the voting method. But as regards to the actual electoral college voters then wasn't a law just passed to ban faithless voters? Could get interesting.

 

[GoldCanyon340]

Contrast to Australia, where our state premiers and PM are squarely Gen X'ers - between 48 and 55.

Australian PMs and state premiers are on the whole squarely useless as well.

 

[dajop]

Australian PMs and state premiers are on the whole squarely useless as well.

Yeh, Australia has such woeful standards of living.

 

[p--and--t]

Yeh, Australia has such woeful standards of living.

I have a number of friends in the USA and we have exchanged visits to each others countries.

Two of them have actively investigated a move to AU because they no longer enjoy living in the country of their birth. Another two regular comment wistfully in phone calls and correspondence they wish they could move here but couldn't afford to because the retirement cost/accumulated savings differential is too much at their time of life. Having been senior high school teachers, their salary and subsequent pension would be insufficient to live a comfortable lifestyle here.

 

[GoldCanyon340]

Yeh, Australia has such woeful standards of living.

Standard of living amd cost of living are two different things. The good old Australian Dream. How many people under 30 can afford to buy a house here? Let's not forget some of the highest energy prices in the world.

Australia has a low standard of politicians because Australia is globally unimportant. You are not an important person if you do not have to make globally important decisions. The prime minister of Australia is as important to the rest iof the world as Australians view the mayor of Auckland.

 

[Isochronous]

POTUS must read AFF.

Trump Admin Secures Up To 600M Coronavirus Vaccine Doses With Pfizer, Free To Americans | The Daily Wire

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But these sort of stories are starting to appear in his ads and quite possibly will have a lot of traction.

Anonymous Seattle Cop Pens Open Letter To Citizens: ‘I Have Now Been Broken’ | The Daily Wire

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Portland cop reports ‘frightening’ racist chants from white BLM supporters

Black cops in Portland are being subjected to vile racist taunts from white Black Lives Matter demonstrators, one of the officers said in a new interview. Officer Jakhary Jackson, a member of Portl…

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Because as the mostly white feral Marxist terrorists behind the BLM anarchy have shown, black lives only matter if they vote Democrat. Just ask Bernell Tremmell: Black Trump supporter murdered in Milwaukee

 

[p--and--t]

How many people under 30 can afford to buy a house here?

Oh for a $1 for every time I have heard or seen that or an equivalent statement. Absolutely true for some people totally erroneous for many more.

I have one daughter in full time employment on a very good salary with a semi-government organisation renting a property and is unlikely to ever own her own house until she gets an inheritance.

Her younger sister in part time employment with 3 kids just purchased her third property, 2 of them in an inner ring suburb of Melbourne (and no - no assistance from me other than answering questions).

One of my granddaughters still in high school is running her own business from home and saving madly for her future and definitely your statement will not apply there.

My ex-boarder who has a one year old and a partner who only works a hand full of hours a week owns his own investment property and is considering where to buy next.

There are plenty of magazine articles detailing some >20yos finishing high school owning multiple properties working at the golden arches (or similar) after school, the purchases being made without handouts from their parents.

It takes a mindset, focus on goals, getting the right advice and determination.

 

[GoldCanyon340]

Oh for a $1 for every time I have heard or seen that or an equivalent statement. Absolutely true for some people totally erroneous for many more.

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It takes a mindset, focus on goals, getting the right advice and determination.

Oh for a $1 every time I have heard someone who knows people who have 'made it' in the property market; there are many who haven't Why should you need a mindset and a focus on goals and a determination to buy a house? It should be an option for everyone.

 

[p--and--t]

It should be an option for everyone.

That's the point it is an option for everyone (with a few exceptions). Some choose alternative options.

 

[GoldCanyon340]

That's the point it is an option for everyone (with a few exceptions). Some choose alternative options.

An option for everyone apart from some people is an interesting concept.