Upcoming Qantas Frequent Flyer Changes

[ajca]

......and please, please, please QF will you sort out priority domestic boarding. It is an advertised benefit and at best it is being inconsistently implemented. :evil:

I have to agree wholeheartedly with this. Was in J on a full 767 flight from SYD-MEL on Friday night. Arrived at the gate to see a massive line extending about 100m+ back into the terminal.

No sign of a priority boarding lane and a few pissed looking J passengers trying to decide whether they should just walk up to the front of the line.

 

[connieguy]

Do you deserve the status with QF?, not IMO, but you have it.

You have no opinion on my QF status? Remember this statement you made a short time ago? When doing this sort of robust discussion, it pays to have a good memory and to know what you just said.

 

[zeiron]

On the contrary, members expressing their reasons for their dissatisfaction are often a move valuable source of feedback for companies than those that provide bouquets, such feedback is often rare in most cases, to say they should not be heard is against the rules and spirit of this community.

I would prefer us to be saved from posts that are hard to read with poor punctuation if we are going to be saved from anything . A point expressed in a clear and easy to read fashion is more likely to get the attention it deserves.

No one is saying they shouldnt be heard, but the reasons have been repeated ad nauseam and try as i might, i fail to connect and see the logic of the two arguments. I am however, willing to stand corrected.

 

[medhead]

Qantas Frequent Flyer changes | Virgin Velocity

Reference to AFF in the article.

I think the quote from Alan Joyce to the affect that qantas doesn't need to hold onto business passenger gives an insight into what WPs can expect.

 

[medhead]

No one is saying they shouldnt be heard, but the reasons have been repeated ad nauseam and try as i might, i fail to connect and see the logic of the two arguments. I am however, willing to stand corrected.

And your criticisms have been repeated ad nauseam. That might explain why people feel the need to repeat their reasons.

 

[zeiron]

I'd be interested to see you 'cop it on the chin' if QF "enhance" a gold benefit...

Isnt every status in the firing line at one time or another?
Do you honestly expect these changes to have been announced of their own merit and of QF's own volition? I dont.
As has been mentioned previously, its QF's attempt to mitigate the Virgin threat.

Also, it is yet to be explained to me, what "enhancements" have befallen WP's?
As far as i can tell (in this particular round at least), its NONE!
Its more a case that PS and SG have been improved whilst WP has remained the same, and that appears to be the crux of the matter.

 

[dfcatch]

What you appear to forget is that when you signed up, you accepted the T&C's which clearly stated that 1. membership is ultimately at the sole discretion of QF and 2. the T&C's can change at anytime at the absolute discretion of QF.

They are simply exercising their contractual rights.

as for the changes, here are always 5 sides and many more perspectives to every story and I do understand your predicament, but you need to try and understand the situation from QF's point of view. Currently, you could fly your 4 sectors on QF and the remainder on other airlines (YUP/KUP fares anyone?) and get SG or WP WITH QF. Were you a FF with QF? not in this example. Do you deserve the status with QF?, not IMO, but you have it. I personally think we are lucky that we can earn points, SC and QF Status with other airlines, so its not the end of the world as some members have made it out to be.....

Zeiron - no-one is questioning their contractual right to make changes.

But when they make changes that some members perceive to be worse-off for them - then they are entitled to re-think their future spend/loyalty/strategy with QF.
You are completely correct that if WPs no longer think WP benefits are worth TWICE SG, then they may be better pursuing a OWS + *G strategy. I believe many members have stated that they are either considering this or even pursuing it already. I must say that I enjoy having status in both alliances and when I drop from WP I will actively consider the same.

You keep harping on about YUPS etc. You forget that QF gets paid for these SC's that are handed out. Just like QF gets paid for the FF points you earn from your CC.

Likewise QF pays AA (or whichever airline it is) everytime an AA FF flies on QF, QF also pays AA everytime a QF FF uses an AA lounge.

It is these reciprocal agreements and payments that allows common FF benefits across the alliance.

 

[serfty]

Closing thread for review - Again! :-|

 

[admin]

In consultation with serfty, we have now decided to re-open this thread. We believe that it is a valid topic for discussion and may still have some way to go.

Please remember that AFF is all about discussion and the presentation of individual points of view. If you don't like the position some is taking, by all means challenge it (within our "guidelines" of course). But there may well come a time when it's best to let things be and make room for new insights and views. Circular arguments are tiresome and don't go anywhere constructive.

 

[nlagalle]

Isnt every status in the firing line at one time or another?
Do you honestly expect these changes to have been announced of their own merit and of QF's own volition? I dont.
As has been mentioned previously, its QF's attempt to mitigate the Virgin threat.

Also, it is yet to be explained to me, what "enhancements" have befallen WP's?
As far as i can tell (in this particular round at least), its NONE!
Its more a case that PS and SG have been improved whilst WP has remained the same, and that appears to be the crux of the matter.

I'll explain the "enahancement" to you again..

The fact that PS and SG no recieve a higher status bonus and WP remain the same dilutes the value of WP. add to that the capped and resetting Loyalty bonues.. It's that simple. At the end of the day the amount of daylight between Gold and Platinum isn't that much.

My biggest gripe with the changes is the Loyalty bonus as it affects NB, PS and WP. gold get the best benefit out of it.

 

[drewbles]

sorry to point out the obvious.....
1. WP earn (cabin/status bonus) appears to be consistent with many other OW alliance partners
2. Affects every FF member, not only WP
3. Ditto.

I get that many WP's are disappointed at the loss of or dilution of certain benefits, but the main issue of contention appears to be the improvement to PS and SG with no change to WP.

I think we should all step back and remember that FF membership is not a god given right. The status and corresponding benefits should be enjoyed for what they are, even if we don't always agree with them. Overall, I cant believe I'm going to say this, but pretty good effort QF!

I feel like a broken record.

We are not saying that PS or SG don't deserve these benefits... What we are saying is..

"Why does WP take twice the amount of SC's to earn what equates to sfa increase in benefits over SG".

That's the point here.

 

[admin]

Please - lets avoid circular arguments!!

Unless you are bringing a new perspective to the discussion, I ask you all to refrain from posting on this thread for the time being.

I really don't want to close this thread, but I will do just that if this continual repetition of the same theme continues.

 

[drewbles]

If WP's think that the current benefits are not worth double (given twice the SC required, and therefore roughly twice the flying), then they need to decide if OWE is for them. IMO, youd be better off with OWS and *G, but if members wish to put all their eggs in one basket and have WP/OWE, then that is a decision they make.

There is a fundamental flaw in that for a lot of people.

I personally earn the majority of my QF Metal SC's on domestic flights, in particular, MEL-PER-MEL. *A simply is not an option here, and DJ's program still sucks (things are getting better we are told, but we won't know for sure until end of June or so).

Putting your eggs in the OW basket is the only option to get true global elite recognition. If DJ were to join an alliance, then yes, your proposition becomes much more balanced, and I would immediately aim for *G and QF SG.

DJ may well get a network together to do that (and they're slowly doing it with DL and the likes), but it's a little way off still.

 

[YQY]

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How do you have a two year assesment cycle?

If you earn status credits from 01 May 2010 then your reassesment should be 30 Apr 2011.... not 30 Apr 2012.

 

[TonyHancock]

As Red Roo has indicated that there are changes in the way upgrades will be handled for WP's I wonder if positive changes here would outweigh the lack of any points increases for WP's?

I'd take confirmed upgrades ahead of 125% status bonus, providing that it isn't too limiting. If I could get three confirmed international upgrades at time of booking I'd be pretty happy.

 

[nlagalle]

How do you have a two year assesment cycle?

If you earn status credits from 01 May 2010 then your reassesment should be 30 Apr 2011.... not 30 Apr 2012.

if you have already attained the required SC's then it will move to the following year.

 

[Jobu]

if you have already attained the required SC's then it will move to the following year.

If that's the case then it's not automatic. Mine still has next year.

 

[YQY]

if you have already attained the required SC's then it will move to the following year.

Are you saying it doesn't zero after his assesment in 30 Apr 2011? Even though i have requalified - my assesment date is still 30 Jul 2011.

 

[nlagalle]

If that's the case then it's not automatic. Mine still has next year.

Last year I am sure mine said 2012 instead of 2011.

 

[dfcatch]

Last year I am sure mine said 2012 instead of 2011.

Same for me last year (said September 2011 even though it was mid 2010).

However this year I've already requalifed but it still says Sep 2011..??