UK election 2019

[RooFlyer]

Looks like the Tories have bolted in, with a Brexit platform and Labor led by Corbyn.

Another conservative leader mocked and belittled by the media luvvie elites gets decisively chosen by the people.

And it looks like the polls, which were predicting a very tight result one and two days out, were wrong again.

 

[turtlemichael]

Looks like the Tories have bolted in, with a Brexit platform and Labor led by Corbin.

Another conservative leader mocked and belittled by the media luvvie elites gets decisively chosen by the people.

And it looks like the polls, which were predicting a very tight result one and two days out, were wrong again.

The Tories had a Brexit platform that, in the last few months, was clear. Labour didn't.

Both leaders were battered by the media - I still think for a lot of good reasons and elections are often the choice of the lesser of two evils.

The results, though still not finalised, look very close to the final polls. Since May was assigned to history the Tories were always going to win by a goodly margin though it tightened a bit in the final days.

 

[drron]

In the early results the Tories were getting 44.7% of the vote to Labor's 38%.
Latest figures though are Tories 51% and Labor 34.8%

 

[DC3]

I normally try to avoid UK politics. The more I see, the more I feel unwell.

Edit: Same with a few other countries

At least we are in the Playground

 

[turtlemichael]

The worst thing about this result is it lays bare how divided the country is. Scotland is a step closer to leaving, or at least continuing to debate it ad nauseum, and London is almost a different country from the rest of Britain. It has always been different but is more so now. Pulling this show together is going to be some task.

 

[dajop]

Another conservative leader mocked and belittled by the media luvvie elites gets decisively chosen by the people.

I didn't follow it closely, the only snippet of information I heard was that Corbyn was deeply unpopular and unelectable. I reckon these days polls do need to get it wrong .... they can be used as a political tool to motivate those to get out and vote. If you had a poll that said Boris was going to win decisively, that could be detrimental to his chances of reelection, as people might not bother if they think he's going to win anyway.

What is clear in the anglosphere that what the most important qualification for election is in depth media experience of some form or another. USA = reality TV host which created a profile that probably trumped (pardon the pun) all other credentials the man has (or hasn't?) , UK = journalist/columnist, AU = advertising/promotion. One for the left leaning side of politics to take note of, look for a leader with deep media experience, rather than an idealist. And people who haven't spent their whole adult life in and around politics, either as a party hack or advisor, or unionist etc, before being elected to parliament. And don't put someone forward with a surname ending in n. Shorten, Corbyn, Clinton, all deeply unelectable.

 

[drron]

But MorrisoN won.

 

[RooFlyer]

I wonder how all those who left the Tories ( over Brexit) and Labor ( over Corbyn) fared?

 

[dajop]

But MorrisoN won.

Dammit there goes that theory. So did Johnson. And Adern. And 3 of the 6 Australian state premiers.

Why do all the leaders have to have an "N" at the end of their surname?

 

[turtlemichael]

In the early results the Tories were getting 44.7% of the vote to Labor's 38%.
Latest figures though are Tories 51% and Labor 34.8%

The current vote after 422 seats out of 650 is Conservative 42.7% and Labour 33.4%. That is a swing against Labour of 8.3% and a swing to the Tories of 1.4%, the rest going to the Libs and other minor parties. This is well within the range predicted by the opinion polls in the last week. To me it is a vote for the lesser of two evils but that is all you need to win.

 

[p--and--t]

Given that result, it seems it possibly might be a bit cheaper to travel to the UK later next year. Many pundits predicted earlier in the year the pound will take a dive for a couple of years during & after the separation process.

 

[drron]

Though the pound is up ~ 3% at the moment.

 

[p--and--t]

Though the pound is up ~ 3% at the moment.

Decreased uncertainty of where things are going perhaps?

 

[amaroo]

SNP have done well.

 

[Hvr]

SNP have done well.

I wonder if the Scots will have a referendum to leave the UK when the final terms for Brexit are announced? And will Ireland have a hard border seperating the south and the north?

There is every possibility that Boris will lead the UK to oblivion and end up being PM of England, Wales and some minor entities.

 

[RooFlyer]

I wonder if the Scots will have a referendum to leave the UK when the final terms for Brexit are announced? And will Ireland have a hard border seperating the south and the north?

There is every possibility that Boris will lead the UK to oblivion and end up being PM of England, Wales and some minor entities.

They may hold a referendum, but it won't carry any weight. Needs Westminster, and the SNP know it. Like the Greens here, they can pose and carry on all they like, knowing it won't have any effect except making them feel good.

As a member of the Scot diaspora, I deplore any move to leave the Union.

Spain won't approve an independent Scotland entering the EU either, as it would encourage their own separatist provinces. SNP know that, as well.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Dammit there goes that theory. So did Johnson. And Adern. And 3 of the 6 Australian state premiers.

Why do all the leaders have to have an "N" at the end of their surname?

Thanks to Putin perhaps

 

[moa999]

As a member of the Scot diaspora, I deplore any move to leave the Union.
Spain won't approve an independent Scotland entering the EU either.

Agreed. It would be a disaster.
And their strongest position would have been if the Tories fell just short and needed third party support.

Plus can't imagine the EU would allow someone to join without switching to the Euro.
On the Irish border I think the only way is for NI to be technically in the UK, but practically in the EU with a sea border. Will no doubt be some interesting arbitrage dreamt up going forward

 

[RooFlyer]

The current vote after 422 seats out of 650 is Conservative 42.7% and Labour 33.4%. That is a swing against Labour of 8.3% and a swing to the Tories of 1.4%, the rest going to the Libs and other minor parties.

Or, put another way ( from the BBC):

 

[serfty]

And it looks like the polls, which were predicting a very tight result one and two days out, were wrong again.

No - the media were promoting it as being close, but in reality the margin between the Conservatives and Labor was never close over the last month - look here:

Opinion polling for the 2019 United Kingdom general election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org