To recline or not to recline... that is the question

[straitman]

As fun as it is to play these games I have to agree that taking the cool calm approach and asking them to xx_X is probably a better solution.

Unfortunately this is the boring yet realistic approach.

 

[JohnK]

Wouldn't it make more sense for you to put your own seat back to grab the lost room? If every seat was put back all of the time there would be no drama. If any pax started to annoy the hell out of me for reclining my seat I would make a point of standing up, raising my voice and making them feel like a total idiot. You'd also have fun during meal time when my seat would be shaking uncontrolably.... hope you didn't get hot coffee!

You are quite entitled to do as you please on the plane.

All I ever asked for is simple consideration for other people. There are imbeciles who through either arrogance or ignorance choose to be selfish. Yes they are entitled to it but not very considerate, and I hope that these are the once every 5 year travellers not the regular frequent flyers.

 

[straitman]

Wouldn't it make more sense for you to put your own seat back to grab the lost room? If every seat was put back all of the time there would be no drama. If any pax started to annoy the hell out of me for reclining my seat I would make a point of standing up, raising my voice and making them feel like a total idiot. You'd also have fun during meal time when my seat would be shaking uncontrolably.... hope you didn't get hot coffee!

You are quite entitled to do as you please on the plane.

All I ever asked for is simple consideration for other people. There are imbeciles who through either arrogance or ignorance choose to be selfish. Yes they are entitled to it but not very considerate, and I hope that these are the once every 5 year travellers not the regular frequent flyers.

Careful JohnK you're starting to sound polite again :!:

 

[oz_mark]

You are quite entitled to do as you please on the plane.

Really?

All I ever asked for is simple consideration for other people. There are imbeciles who through either arrogance or ignorance choose to be selfish. Yes they are entitled to it but not very considerate, and I hope that these are the once every 5 year travellers not the regular frequent flyers.

Mostly from what I have seen, frequent travellers don't fully recline thier seats anyway (except on red eyes when trying to sleep). I seem to think the fully reclined position is more an infrequent traveller thing - because they can. Most experienced Y travellers know better.

 

[JohnK]

You are quite entitled to do as you please on the plane.

Really?

Well almost anything. Was just trying to be polite again. :wink:

All I ever asked for is simple consideration for other people. There are imbeciles who through either arrogance or ignorance choose to be selfish. Yes they are entitled to it but not very considerate, and I hope that these are the once every 5 year travellers not the regular frequent flyers.

Mostly from what I have seen, frequent travellers don't fully recline thier seats anyway (except on red eyes when trying to sleep). I seem to think the fully reclined position is more an infrequent traveller thing - because they can. Most experienced Y travellers know better.

I was hoping that this was the case. You see so many well behaved people on flights and you just wish that these people are the ones seated in front of you or next to you.

 

[oz_mark]

If its a long haul flight, i always recline apart from meal times. If you want to use a laptop buy a business class ticket.

Should I get you to tell my boss that.

You know many of us don't actually work for companies whose travel policies spring for business class flights.

 

[tuapekastar]

This subject certainly polarises people! Have read all the comments re imbeciles, kneeing the seat in front, the right to what you wish etc., but I think it still comes down to the same point. The airline is providing the recline as part of the product you paid for, so any logical-thinking pax would consider they can use it, unless advised otherwise by cabin crew. If certain pax do not like the pax in front reclining, then they should direct their complaint to the airline, and try and find one that doesn’t offer recline. During meal service it is reasonable to ask and expect pax to have their seat upright (and under these circumstances I won’t cop big recline). If it’s difficult to get out of your seat, then if on the aisle (at least on 747 and 767), the aisle armrest can be raised making ingress/egress simple. Though it does remain a problem from middle/window seats.

It’s just so plain illogical to get shirty at people for using their recline, provided to them as part of the product they have paid for (though I would make an exception for mealtimes). And for the record, I sometimes recline, but never to any great degree and never during mealtimes. And I can handle the pax in front reclining fully, except during mealtimes.

Cheers

 

[JohnK]

This subject certainly polarises people! Have read all the comments re imbeciles, kneeing the seat in front, the right to what you wish etc.,

I have been guilty of a few of these comments.

The airline is providing the recline as part of the product you paid for, so any logical-thinking pax would consider they can use it, unless advised otherwise by cabin crew.

Yes they are entitled to use the recline, just like bigjobs mentioned then I can also use my air-conditioning vent and point it anywhere I want. It is my right. Maybe I am wrong but I think consideration for fellow passengers plays a big part in these matters.

If certain pax do not like the pax in front reclining, then they should direct their complaint to the airline, and try and find one that doesn’t offer recline.

Don't know of any that don't offer recline. If there are any and they are part of 1world then I would gladly use them.

If it’s difficult to get out of your seat, then if on the aisle (at least on 747 and 767), the aisle armrest can be raised making ingress/egress simple. Though it does remain a problem from middle/window seats.

Most of my travelling is on A330's and the arm rest is fixed and I really struggle to get out of my seat due to health issues.

It’s just so plain illogical to get shirty at people for using their recline, provided to them as part of the product they have paid for (though I would make an exception for mealtimes).

I have never got into an argument with anyone over this issue. If any issues then I get FA to intervene.

But it has to be a big issue if there are companies like Knee Defender which was mentioned by Mal selling a product that allows you to block people reclining. I know it has been banned by some airlines but there is still a demand for this product which just goes to show how far people will go to defend their very tiny allocated space in cattle class.

 

[Yada Yada]

i have had this conversation a number of times with people who do not seem to get it ...

"if you recline your seat that is your business. please also appreciate that where i point my air con vent and how fast i have it on is my business...

LMAO!!!! I like it.

What a fun topic! I've had some good laughs at some of the previous posts.

My knees just touch the seat in front in whY when it is in the upright position so I'm not much of a fan of reclining seats.

I do not create a fuss if the person in front reclines, although I do think it is a bit inconsiderate if they haven't checked first to see if I am still eating or perhaps holding a child. But some people are just not very self-aware nor aware of their surroundings. That's life.

I remember trying to read the SMH on board a DJ flight a few years back (using a method of folding my father used to use on crowded trains years before) when the person in front suddenly reclined their seat fully. My row was full so there was no lateral room to move either. The seat squashed into the paper and made a mess of it, so I was unable to do anything to get it back flat and fold it up. I basically had to screw it into a ball! It was pretty funny (my fellow pax were smirking) and I laughed, but more at the fact that the person in front simply had no clue even given all the noise of paper being screwed up right behind their head. It's a bit like those who insist on driving in the right hand lane and will not pull over - no clue that they are inconveniencing others.

Perversely, the J seats on BA's 777s are in the reclined position by default, even though they do not impinge on anyone else's space. When I flew from LHR to YYZ I found the reclined position uncomfortable so I tilted it up a bit. When the crew were preparing the cabin for take off, they came around and pushed the button on my seat so that it went back to the default reclined position! First time I've ever been forced to recline! I could not work out how they saw that my seat was tilted up a bit, but later saw that there was a little light on the top of the back of the seats which indicates that the seat is in its default position. :x

 

[BlacKnox]

I'm surprised with some of the passion expressed in this thread.

Full plane, in economy... do you recline your seat fully?

To answer the question, for longer flights (over about 5 hours) sure, for shorter ones no. And yes I check behind beforehand.

 

[NM]

Oh what have I missed while spending a few weeks with my family! You guys are hilarious!

Now with the poll being somewhat down the middle, perhaps we could add our reclining attitude into our traveller profile and the airlines can allocate all the recliners on the left side of the plane, and all the up-righters on the right side of the plane.

 

[oz_mark]

Oh what have I missed while spending a few weeks with my family! You guys are hilarious!

Now with the poll being somewhat down the middle, perhaps we could add our reclining attitude into our traveller profile and the airlines can allocate all the recliners on the left side of the plane, and all the up-righters on the right side of the plane.

That will teach you to go off and have a good time with your family.

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

Oh what have I missed while spending a few weeks with my family! You guys are hilarious!

Now with the poll being somewhat down the middle, perhaps we could add our reclining attitude into our traveller profile and the airlines can allocate all the recliners on the left side of the plane, and all the up-righters on the right side of the plane.

An even easier system would be to have all the recliners at the rear and non-recliners up front :wink:

 

[JohnK]

If you don't want to put up with any BS from other passengers, get your own damn jet. END OF STORY.

Now where did I put that winning lottery ticket again :!:

It would have to be a really big lottery win.

Winning lotto wouldn't even buy a wing.

 

[JohnK]

An even easier system would be to have all the recliners at the rear and non-recliners up front :wink:

I quite like that idea.

Have you been down the back recently. It's what you would expect after a nuclear attack. :?

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

Thought you'd like it.

Economy - yup last week, see my trip report.

 

[JohnK]

Thought you'd like it.

Economy - yup last week, see my trip report.

Read your trip report. Very good.

How long was the flight CDG-BSL? 45 minutes? Try spending 7-9 hours in cattle class.

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

Been on plenty of long haul trips in economy including europe and USA (direct or via asia and europe). I try to avoid as much as possible, and if unavoidable try to blot out the painful memory

CDG-BSL just happened to be my most recent economy flight that is all.

 

[NM]

This is one reason I like the bulkhead rows. No clown in front of you to recline into your meal/knees etc.

 

[Yada Yada]

NM - Chrysler Voyager?