The night the bogans visited the F lounge

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take a look at this video, flying in the 60s, around 4 minute time
child room, child care and nannies were provided while the parents are waiting for their flights, even a bed for parents to sleep are included !

nowadays F lounge services are so poor. all they give you are food, drinks and a bath. you even need to change the nappies yourself...
 
Babies in First. ugh! To many people with FF upgrade points and status that would normally not be in First. Good for the airline but not for the passenger. I have flown First a few times on many airlines and not had any problems. I have been to Sydney First lounge and Concorde Room in Heathrow. Never noticed any bogons.
 
I think this thread is going around in circles.
We’ve now moved onto the fairly predictable but stupid ideas (banning babies from Lounges, banning Babies from F) and the truly bizarre (blaming people on points upgrades for talking loudly).

And all for what was a fairly light-hearted tale to start with.
It’s making some of the boards on FT look tame :rolleyes:
 
I think this thread is going around in circles.
We’ve now moved onto the fairly predictable but stupid ideas (banning babies from Lounges, banning Babies from F) and the truly bizarre (blaming people on points upgrades for talking loudly).

And all for what was a fairly light-hearted tale to start with.
It’s making some of the boards on FT look tame :rolleyes:
Yeah. But it brings out the best lines hey?
 
My view on babies is that they should be treated like any other passenger (in fact Qantas have specific rules on baby and children access and is one of the most accommodation I have seen) but with additional tolerance due to their age.
 
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Just wondering when this was as having a group of 10-15 blokes all get into the first lounge is unusual. I know some blokes that were going to a study tour around then so it might have been them.......

I think it was the last Bledisloe Cup match. Not the most bogan of sports I suppose. A league match would have been more fitting to the occasion. :)
 
Now I never attended finishing school and wouldn't engage in a debate as to which utensil to use to eat grapes, but I was left wondering the other night if even the most basic manners were no longer taught to young Aussies.

(Please do not take this post as too serious or elitist ... that is apart from the health and safety issue left on the carpet of Meeting Room 1 ...)

The scene was the Melbourne F lounge prior to the departure of QF9. I arrived in the lounge with ample time for a quiet dinner followed a spa treatment before my flight. I was seated in the restaurant by the window with a nice view. While I was perusing the menu, I noticed that the man seated at the table next to me was talking on his phone. It wasn't an important-work- or phone-the-kids-at-bedtime-type conversation, just a conversation with someone.

I ordered, he was still talking. My entree arrived ... still talking. I finished my entree ... still talking. My main course arrived ... still talking. At this point, the waiter who must have been politely waiting for him to finish the call, started just delivering his food. His conversational rhythm hardly changed, as he ate while continuing to listen and talk. It was disgustingly amusing to watch someone chew and talk at the same time over such an extended period. By this point, everyone else close by was watching as well. Just as I was finishing my main course, an older couple finally complained, and the waiter politely asked him to end his call. So I'll never know if he could also cut meat, chew, and talk on the phone at the same time.

I then had some time to relax before my spa treatment and went into the main lounge area. Relaxation was clearly going to be impossible there, though, as a group of 10-15 men were standing around drinking beer and cheering on the footy like they thought they were a their local pub.

No worries, I thought after a few loud whoops, I'll go into a meeting room, where it's usually a bit quieter. The lounge angel booked me into Meeting Room 2, and I took out my gadgets to do a bit of work. Then I met Charlotte and her parents, who in a practical sense were in Meeting Room 1, but were so loud I heard every word of their conversation like they were sitting next to me. I take it Charlotte was the first child, as the parents oohed and awed at seemingly her every breath. And things were pleasant enough as I learned about all their friends, upcoming social commitments, etc.

Then, Charlotte did a poo. Mummy suggested that Charlotte lie down on the floor (the Marc Newson designed carpet, no less ...) so that Mummy could change her nappy. Charlotte was having none of this (perhaps she knew even at this early stage of her life that this event is what baby change rooms are designed for?) and started howling. Eventually, things calmed down, and Daddy then emerged from the meeting room into the main lounge area holding the nappy in question. Not in a bag or anything, just in his hands. He headed off in the direction of the bathrooms, so clearly the ability to read signs was not an issue for the couple. Perhaps he washed his hands while he was there, but Mummy clearly didn't feel the need to do so herself. After visions of them changing Charlotte's nappy on the onboard tray table, I was so relieved when the family departed for Auckland and were clearly not on my flight.

I don't know how often the carpets in the lounge get cleaned, so I would be wary of Meeting Room 1 if you are visiting any time soon!

There was a lot of fuss when Qantas introduced the no-thongs-in-the-lounge rule, but I ponder should they go further? "When you're flying with us, your health and safety is our number one concern. Please defecate only in designated areas, which are clearly marked with a symbol of a man, woman, or baby. Suitable receptacles are provided in each designated area ..."



Thank you La Mouette, a very well written and interesting presentation.

I have read several threads on the AFF recently about lounges, upset WPs and the like and it appears to me that there are a number of ungrateful individuals out there. So many among us travel for work and enjoy extensive lounge privileges as a result. Five flights in J class will usually mean one is elevated to Gold Status. Try working for a company that only permits economy travel at 20 Status Credits a sector, then tell me who the most loyal frequent flyers are!

When one finally makes it to the Gold, or higher, that allows unfettered lounge access, you should be grateful, remember that it is a privilege that many do not enjoy and when joining the Club, there are standards. That is usually why it is called a Club!

My recent experience in several EK lounges and few QF lounges was mostly acceptable. To see the way some Australians ‘performed’ in the Singapore lounge recently is unacceptable. Scruffy dirty clothes, thongs, dirty feet clearly visible in the dining area, logo covered shirts….enough, don’t let them in, they do not deserve the privilege. As for the geezer on the phone telling everyone else how important he is, don’t be shy, get up and ask him to be quiet. Phones work very well without the need to shout at them.

I have been travelling around the world for 60+ years. For many years there were no frequent flyer programmes. I took 3 children under the age of 4 around the world several times without a problem and I would not let them annoy other paying passengers. There are adequate facilities for nappy changes and on the floor of the lounge or meeting room is unacceptable. As for the ‘naughty mat brigade’, don’t let little Tarquin and Lucinda run wild, take control of your unruly children and think of others.
 
Thank you La Mouette, a very well written and interesting presentation.

I have read several threads on the AFF recently about lounges, upset WPs and the like and it appears to me that there are a number of ungrateful individuals out there. So many among us travel for work and enjoy extensive lounge privileges as a result. Five flights in J class will usually mean one is elevated to Gold Status. Try working for a company that only permits economy travel at 20 Status Credits a sector, then tell me who the most loyal frequent flyers are!

When one finally makes it to the Gold, or higher, that allows unfettered lounge access, you should be grateful, remember that it is a privilege that many do not enjoy and when joining the Club, there are standards. That is usually why it is called a Club!

My recent experience in several EK lounges and few QF lounges was mostly acceptable. To see the way some Australians ‘performed’ in the Singapore lounge recently is unacceptable. Scruffy dirty clothes, thongs, dirty feet clearly visible in the dining area, logo covered shirts….enough, don’t let them in, they do not deserve the privilege. As for the geezer on the phone telling everyone else how important he is, don’t be shy, get up and ask him to be quiet. Phones work very well without the need to shout at them.

I have been travelling around the world for 60+ years. For many years there were no frequent flyer programmes. I took 3 children under the age of 4 around the world several times without a problem and I would not let them annoy other paying passengers. There are adequate facilities for nappy changes and on the floor of the lounge or meeting room is unacceptable. As for the ‘naughty mat brigade’, don’t let little Tarquin and Lucinda run wild, take control of your unruly children and think of others.
Except for a recent DSC, MrP’s travel to WP has solely been through Red deep discount flights Adelaide Mel return. He’s done that 3 years in a row now. You are not alone ;)

Only travel in the pointy end is booked via points. Which of course no longer count for status.

Having one unruly toddler and one very quiet delayed our travel with the first one for a few years.
 
Zulu0929, I'd suggest that the most loyal frequent flyers are the ones who actually pay out of their own pocket.

After all, not much influence if your employer's paying.
 
Not quite so simple, some employers allow choice in flights booked

My point being that the employer can sometimes choose to not buy airline tickets, or not send the employee.

When you, as an individual, are paying then the airline relies on your largesse and therefore I would suggest that people paying for their own status are probably the most loyal as they're voting with their own wallet.
 
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My employer (client) happily allowed me to choose my flights and airline Australia-Canada for years, for which I was very grateful!

My point being that the employer can sometimes choose to not buy airline tickets, or not send the employee.

When you, as an individual, are paying then the airline relies on your largesse and therefore I would suggest that people paying for their own status are probably the most loyal as they're voting with their own wallet.

And my point and that of @RooFlyer is that even those on a corporate dime might have a choice. They are not always on company Travel but choosing it for all their company and leisure travel might well make them the most loyal of all ;)
 
from QF's point of view, there are benefits of treating parents with kids well in F service packages
1. corporate traveller travels at the mercy of their employer, their role and the state of the economy, any changes these individuals are gone
2. families travels in F using own funds usually have very high social economic status, and likely their friends and families too ! therefore they need to keep them happy so they are not jumping to other carriers.
 
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