The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

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I doubt unions would be opposed to this. It is a way of preserving jobs and the health of workers.

But some individual workers might object for a variety of reasons.
I think if Qantas does it unilaterally it could put noses out of joint if the Government negotiates at a high level you would hope it would work.
 
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Just to note US GovernmentandGoogle have now mandated vaccines from October or September for their employees
That’s when Google returns to their campus after wfh since March 2020. Last time I talked to Master FM he said vaccination wasn’t compulsory (although he is fully vaccinated). It must be a recent development - probably with Delta rampaging.
 

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I doubt unions would be opposed to this. It is a way of preserving jobs and the health of workers.

But some individual workers might object for a variety of reasons.

Although the QLD CHO mandated this for nursing and midwifery students, for a private organisation like Qantas this is not something that they could take on lightly (or quickly).

There's issues like vaccine availability, timeframes, exemption processes etc. which don't make it any easier for a private enterprise. Not to mention liability, the flu vaccine (to my knowledge) really only has anaphylaxis as a serious adverse event, and there's a well established control for this. The adverse event for AZ, which realistically a good chunk of the staff at Qantas will only be able to get now, is far harder to control and mitigate.
 

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‘A danger to themselves’: Scott Morrison says unvaccinated Australians will face many restrictions​



Scott Morrison says Australians who choose not to get vaccinated against COVID-19 will face more restrictions than their fully-vaccinated counterparts once everyone in the country has has the chance to get the jab.

“We’d have to have more restrictions on people who are unvaccinated because they’re a danger to themselves and others,” he said.

“If you’re not vaccinated you present a greater health risk to yourself and to others than people who are vaccinated … and public health decisions will have to be made on that basis.”

 
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‘A danger to themselves’: Scott Morrison says unvaccinated Australians will face many restrictions​



Scott Morrison says Australians who choose not to get vaccinated against COVID-19 will face more restrictions than their fully-vaccinated counterparts once everyone in the country has has the chance to get the jab.

“We’d have to have more restrictions on people who are unvaccinated because they’re a danger to themselves and others,” he said.

“If you’re not vaccinated you present a greater health risk to yourself and to others than people who are vaccinated … and public health decisions will have to be made on that basis.”

An article I read indicated the US from September October (I guess their date for when everyone has had the chance), many government and private organizations are making mandatory vaccination for their employees (I think some employers will allow unvaccinated with weekly testing).

Given in the US vaccination is a polarized issue, the weekly testing is needed.

The fact the PM is not indicating exceptions yet, there might be hope we are going for 80%+ of those eligible. Modeling on vaccinations being discussed this week (if I heard the report correctly) at National Cabinet.
 

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I would have liked at worst to have seen a more pragmatic approach of say 70% of 70+ fully vaccinated then give everyone left a few months to get vaccinated and once that has elapsed start to significantly open up. 80% of the adult population is an unrealistic target imo. It's fine to have an aspirational goal, but if we want to open up we need to be realistic.
 

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39.5% of 70+ have second doses (NSW is just ahead of the national average at 40%), which is higher than the first dose percentage of 39.46% for 16+

80% of 75-79 year olds have had their first dose, the first age group to achieve this.

Every 5 year age group 45-49 and over has over 40% with first dose

Every 5 year age group 30-34 and over has over 1/6 with first dose

45-49 age group has over 25% fully vaccinated

When today's numbers come out tomorrow 35-39 should have over 20% with first dose.
 

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I'm guessing the PM taking the current hit on the vaccine rollout would love to be saying at the end of the rollout - the highest vaccinated country in the world....80%+ here Australia comes
 

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‘A danger to themselves’: Scott Morrison says unvaccinated Australians will face many restrictions​



Scott Morrison says Australians who choose not to get vaccinated against COVID-19 will face more restrictions than their fully-vaccinated counterparts once everyone in the country has has the chance to get the jab.

“We’d have to have more restrictions on people who are unvaccinated because they’re a danger to themselves and others,” he said.

“If you’re not vaccinated you present a greater health risk to yourself and to others than people who are vaccinated … and public health decisions will have to be made on that basis.”

Yes saw that. So what's he going to do about people who are members of political parties who refuse to be vaccinated and spread anti-vax propaganda?
 
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NSW people vaccinated in Canberra appear to have been removed from our figures as % have dropped. However still very good.

over 70. 91.27% with a first jab 50.65% fully vaccinated.
Over 50. 77.86%. first. 28.53% fully vaccinated
over 16. 46.1 % first. 21.32% fully vaccinated
 

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From the Federal Health Minister at today’s press conference - quote courtesy of ABC blog - I’m guessing they’ve done a survey

The number of people "intending to be vaccinated" has gone up to 77 per cent​

Greg Hunt says people spreading misinformation regarding vaccinations are clearly "losing the battle", as we see the rates of Australians "intending to be vaccinated" increasing.
 

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Can't the Qantas CEO just make a mandatory rule for his staff?
Notwithstanding the logic of this there'd be bound to be someone who'd get their nose out of joint. On the other hand, I wouldn't want to share a coughpit with the unvaxxed, so there will be issues the other way too. It would be easy if all of the states just made it a condition of crossing the border.
 

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The wheels are turning - carrots are being discussed View attachment 254229
It would be much nicer to have 80-100 millionaires, rather than 10 multi-millionaires. I wonder whether politicians can enter - thelott (Australia's lottery company) usually have people excluded from entering.....and there probably won't be a 'do not publish my name' exclusion/option....
 

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It would be much nicer to have 80-100 millionaires, rather than 10 multi-millionaires. I wonder whether politicians can enter - thelott (Australia's lottery company) usually have people excluded from entering.....and there probably won't be a 'do not publish my name' exclusion/option....
Definitely agree, to most people one million would be enough incentive to get jabbed
 

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It would be much nicer to have 80-100 millionaires, rather than 10 multi-millionaires. I wonder whether politicians can enter - thelott (Australia's lottery company) usually have people excluded from entering.....and there probably won't be a 'do not publish my name' exclusion/option....
Agree.

The incentive to speed things up could be a draw twice a week (for example). With $1m prize per draw, split $500,000, $250,000, 2 x $50,000, 10 x $10,000 and 50 x $1,000.

1 entry for each confirmed vaccination. Followed up with obligatory photos of 'battlers' who won something & how it will make such a difference....

Given the cost of Sydney's half-pike with a twist lockdown (Olympic infection coming through) is now put at over $2 billion/week. $80 million or $200 million is less than a day's cost.

Then again building dedicated quarantine facilities to house 3,000 and fully fund their operation for 5 years is less than one week's lockdown cost - the cost/benefits do not seem to be considered.

After all, surplus separate fully self-contained units (as is the model) could then perhaps become Public housing (only for fully vaccinated of course), by Xmas 202Z after all the stranded Australians are home.
 
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