The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

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The TGA site has a list of very serious reasons to get PZ and self induced alcohol poisoning is not one of them. If one has a allergy to alcohol perhaps just don’t take any alcohol and then there won’t be an excuse. So perhaps not such a smart person. There’s no alcohol in the vaccination that we know of is there?
If GPs get to choose (or be bullied), almost everybody I know wants PZ.
I have one of the listed conditions but completed the AZ process anyway. After advice.
 

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And my point was this will continue to be the case

Based on the data available to date I see no basis to support your hypothesis.

There are simply many millions of people who have had their first dose of AZ and who will in the main only start to get their second dose starting about now. Most who have had had AZ to date have not had a second dose.

This just has to influence the AZ/Pfizer second dose ratio,

And they are not just "oldies" as you negatively classify people, as are there also under 50's who were given AZ prior to 9th April, and others under 50 who chose to have AZ after 9th April who are also still awaiting their second doses.

In the near term also the amount of doses of Pfizer will remained constrained. AZ first dose will continue as they are still many people eligible to receive it who will choose to have it and moreso now that at long last the the GP Channel is being supplied with much larger weekly allocations of AZ.

So over at least the next several months proportionately of those that are having their second doses, the portion that will be AZ will rise. The many millions of people who have had only their first doze of AZ are simply not just going to disappear or refuse en masse to not have their second dose..

Late in the year when Pfizer supply increases the ratio of AZ/Pfizer second doses will most likely reduce.


So as I said:
Unfortunately the Feds rarely publish data on % of Pfizer and AZ injected, and by jurisdiction I think not at all. However due to the extra 9 weeks on when the second dose is given means that the current second dose totals are probably heavily biased by Pfizer. Over the next 2 months that should change.

So % AZ second doses will currently be low. It will start ramping up for at least the next 2 months. Probably longer. Late in the year Pfizer will start to dominate the % second dose rate again.
 
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I think you may be conflating some announcements from other areas or perhaps just made a slip of the keys. WA has not opened "up to over 16s" but has opened up to 30 to 49 year old adults. Only Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander's over 16 are eligible in the lower age group and I believe that this is National policy.

As to why the 30 to 49 people have been invited to be vaccinated I think that it is simply because, like in most states, the State Govt is unhappy with the current rate of vaccination and is opening up the age limit as widely as possible. To quote from the Premiers Media Statement - "We've opened up the COVID-19 vaccination rollout to a broader group of people in an effort to build momentum and get more people vaccinated. " This seems to be a similar approach as NSW, Qsld and South Australia who have opened up to over 40 year olds. While in SA vaccination is also open in 'Country Areas' to anyone over 16. I don't know if it has any relevance but it is noticeable that the two States and Territories with the lower dose 'usage rates' are the largest geographical ones i.e. Queensland and WA.
Ah yes - totally my error. Read a post late last night after we had been talking about campaigns once we got to over 16s and read the already opened up as over 16s rather than over 30s. You have however answered my question that in order to keep momentum going they have dropped the age, so presumably a fair bit of hesitancy in the older group.

it seems the more people feel safe behind their borders the less they come forward, which is natural I suppose.
 

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it seems the more people feel safe behind their borders the less they come forward, which is natural I suppose.

Hence the sudden surge in coming forward in Vic, and subsequent acceleration in the vaccination rate, just after the new outbreak started.

All other jurisdictions have essentially maintained their previous trends.

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Hence the sudden surge in coming forward in Vic, and subsequent acceleration in the vaccination rate, just after the new outbreak started.

All other jurisdictions have essentially maintained their previous trends.

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so what we really need is to release a few strategic infections - maybe a Typhoon edit (typhoid :) :) ). Mary or two in each state and territory :). Unfortunately the economic damage (and possibly health implications), means it can’t be done.
 
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so what we really need is to release a few strategic infections - maybe a Typhoon Mary or two in each state and territory :). Unfortunately the economic damage (and possibly health implications), means it can’t be done.
You mean Typhoid Mary - who was an asymptomatic carrier!! Quite an apt figure for COVID emergencies.
 
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The GP Channel to continues to demonstrate its value as a key part of the vaccination rollout..

1/ GP's to the rescue for Aged Care.

Health Minister Greg Hunt says GPs are being enlisted to provide COVID-19 vaccinations to people in disability or aged residential care facilities.



2/ And from ABC News:

General practitioners called in to vaccinate older and vulnerable Australians against COVID-19

GPs are being enlisted by the Federal Government to vaccinate older and more vulnerable Australians against COVID-19 in their own homes.
"It's about expanding the vaccination program, bringing it to people. So that in-home visitation fee will assist whether it's with the elderly, the frail, the immobile, those with disabilities," he said.

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3/ Plus good to see the GP Channel still giving doses on a Sunday.

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How on earth did people's perception of the risk / reward ratio of getting an AZ vaccination get so comprehensively screwed? So many people who take untold risks in every other aspect of their lives suddenly deciding that a one in several million chance of dying is too much. I really don't understand their thinking.

Ability to control and risk mitigation I guess.

I think most people who go out on the roads hope that if they drive carefully and avoid hazardous situations they will arrive safely.

With the vaccine it doesn't really matter how cautious you are, you have no control over being the unlucky person. The only way for people to exercise control is by avoiding a particular vaccine outright.
 

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Though many have died on the road in quite unpredictable accidents.You do everything right and coming the other way a drug fueled idiot who crosses to your side with both vehicles travelling at ~ 100kph.happens all too regularly.
 
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Good News.

New analysis by PHE shows for the first time that 2 doses of COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective against hospitalisation from the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant.
  • the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is 96% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses
  • the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is 92% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses

 

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Good News.

New analysis by PHE shows for the first time that 2 doses of COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective against hospitalisation from the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant.
  • the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is 96% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses
  • the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is 92% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses

This is indeed excellent news. And explains why the urgency in UK now to get that second dose happening ASAP. And we know that UK handles the vaccination plan well.
 

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Though many have died on the road in quite unpredictable accidents.You do everything right and coming the other way a drug fueled idiot who crosses to your side with both vehicles travelling at ~ 100kph.happens all too regularly.

Agree. But that's also why some people choose not to drive at night, or on country roads, or long drives where fatigue can set in, or they avoid roads that haven't been updated to the latest safety standards, etc, because they feel it could be dangerous. Some may feel they have control over those things to a certain degree, but not so with the vaccine.
 

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Agree. But that's also why some people choose not to drive at night, or on country roads, or long drives where fatigue can set in, or they avoid roads that haven't been updated to the latest safety standards, etc, because they feel it could be dangerous. Some may feel they have control over those things to a certain degree, but not so with the vaccine.
And which is quite naive thinking because It won't matter how safe the road is, your safety is entirely dependent on the actions of others.
 
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And which is quite naive thinking because It won't matter how safe the road is, your safety is entirely dependent on the actions of others.

Things like centre barriers on country highways stop fatigued drivers straying to the other side of the road, or prevent accidents in one direction crossing over to the other side. Current road strategies are looking at ways to prevent mistakes by one person impacting on others.
 

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Based on the data available to date I see no basis to support your hypothesis.

Its not a hypothesis, it is a fact the majority of the Australian population will get two doses of an MRNA vaccine (predominantly Pfizer, a few Moderna).

Second doses of Pfizer have been given out every week since middle of February and will continue until the end of the year, if not beyond - all those not currently eligible for a first dose are earmarked for an MRNA vaccine. There is no expectation that we will see a reduction in second Pfizer doses, only a continued increase as supply increases.

Second doses of AZ only started in June and are likely to end well before the end of the year, as over 50s have been able to get their first dose for several weeks already, there is no shortage, so anyone over 50 planning to get vaccinated will likely have had their first short by end of July, so we should see second doses of AZ wrap up by October (most before then).

Yes we will see a increase in ratio of AZ to Pfizer in June-August period, but it is temporary and the overall doses of AZ will NOT eclipse the total number of Pfizer doses given by the end of the year which was my point.

there also under 50's who were given AZ prior to 9th April, and others under 50 who chose to have AZ after 9th April who are also still awaiting their second doses

However, there are also all the over 50s in residential aged care who got Pfizer, and plenty of workers in 1a (and some in 1b) who work in HQ/Hospitals/Airport who are over 50 who also got Pfizer. Plus some of the under 50s who got AZ before 9th April are choosing not to get the second dose and switching to Pfizer.

The number of under 50s who chose AZ is less than the number of over 50s who were given Pfizer.
 

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