Sydney Airport chokes tourism Industry

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While industry spokespersons won't say or admit it, the cozy price fixing of US flights/ traffic, and exorbiant taxes/ fees at Sydney is costing 10,000's of jobs. The simple fix is to open up competition.
Australian tourist numbers down

By Melissa Ketchell February 07, 2008 07:42am


INBOUND tourism to Australia is lagging behind the rest of the world, with visitor numbers increasing just 2 per cent compared with a global average of 6 per cent growth last year.
Australian Tourism Export Council managing director Matthew Hingerty said it would take massive innovation to drag the sector out of the doldrums.
"We need to understand why our competitors are booming and racing ahead, and we need to see what lessons we can learn and apply to the Australian market," Mr Hingerty said.
A high Australian dollar and concern from some international travellers about the environmental impact of long-haul travel were among the hurdles to stronger growth.
Tourism and Transport Forum Australia managing director Christopher Brown said the industry had to move quickly to change consumer perceptions of long-haul travel in the face of climate change.

Mr Brown said the industry also needed a long-term approach to labour and skills shortages.
He said the growth figures revealed in Australian Bureau of Statistics data released yesterday were lower than expected.
In a weakened global economy, maintaining competitiveness in the tourism industry was vital, as it accounted for $22 billion in export earnings each year, he said.
"It is a tough operating environment for Australia and we can not become complacent," Mr Brown said.
Mr Hingerty said Australia's ability to compete on price was being eroded and new products and services were needed to encourage more overseas visitors.
The 2 per cent increase for the calendar year meant 5.6 million international visitors come to Australia.
Japan's international visitor numbers grew 14 per cent and the US and China 10 per cent.
There were some bright spots for Australia, with arrivals from China and India growing strongly. Chinese visitor numbers increased 16 per cent and Indian visitors 13.6 per cent.
Mr Brown said more planes and hotels, and a bigger workforce would be needed to maintain these growth rates.
"We also have to invest in compelling new tourism experiences and market them strongly," he said.
 
So how does increased competition reduce the perception of the impact of long haul travel on global warming or fix the sub prime problem in the US?

Was there another article which outlined how SYD was teh root of all evil?
 
ANother article that talks about problems at SYD

Airport's problems getting worse | The Daily Telegraph

THE lockout by Sydney airport of stranded passengers due to bad weather last week should be the least of air travellers concerns.
The problem is only going to get worse - and I'm not referring to the dire weather or the woes of travelling with budget airlines.

Sydney is on the cusp of losing massive tourism, not to mention credibility as an international city, unless the State Government seriously looks at the outdated inflexible curfew and the building of a second airport.
 
simongr said:
So how does increased competition reduce the perception of the impact of long haul travel on global warming or fix the sub prime problem in the US?

Was there another article which outlined how SYD was teh root of all evil?

The septics reckon a flight from JFK - LHR is a long flight. Many are unwilling to fly from LAX - SYD. What a crazy article - the words were English but there was little cogent meaning
 
Robert Barlow said:
Not the second airport thing again! Can you remember Somersby? Or Badgery's Creek? A second airport for SYD is about 2030 if planning starts now! Lift the curfew and develop strategies to acquire badly affected properties.


Nah, the NIMBYs will never let it get up. Politicians are too gutless to say "Screw you, we're building it here, go ahead and vote for the opposition, we don't care about a couple of seats in the backblocks anyway".

Note the current drama about the new runway at BNE. How many years have people known that it was coming, yet they continued to build houses under what will be the approaches?

In the words of Jean Kitson's FA character from The Big Gig - "bugger 'em, I say!".
 
I'd sooner fly in and out of LHR five times than fly in and out of BNE or SYD once as a non-premium passenger. This is mainly due to the huge long quarantine queue that takes ages to get through after a long flight. I also find BNE/SYD immigration people at Australia to be ruder than the LHR ones.

If I were a tourist to Australia, I would be somewhat offended by the attitude of some of the immigration people as well as the long queue at the quarantine. I agree with the principles of quarantine but to wait for ages in a queue after a long flight is far from pleasant.

Coupled with strong Australian dollars and the resultant no-longer-so-cheap everything (as well as the fact that price of things have appeared to have gone up in themselves anyway), and with all sorts of other attrative destinations on offer, I have to admit that I wouldn't be in a huge hurry to consider Australia as my primary holiday destination if I were a tourist...

I highly doubt that the 'environmental effect on earth of long-haul flying' had much to do with people's choice of holiday destinations though. If anything, I can believe it if people were concerned about the environmental effect on them of long-haul flying (i.e. most people don't like long haul flights, especially in cattle class). :D I also don't think Sydney Airport would be the main reason why tourist numbers are down (in any case there are other airports they can fly into if they don't like Sydney Airport anyway). I do not think people tend to choose a country to visit based on an airport - and most travellers from overseas wouldn't even know that a curfew exists in Sydney!

I guess I am cynical, but I do think that Sydney Airport has been made a scapegoat in this case. Not that I have high praises for Sydney Airport - the only good thing there, as far as I'm concerned, is the QF Flounge.


On the Sydney curfew thing, I know some people who would not fly long haul inbound to Australia via Sydney in case they get caught up by the curfew, but they are all local Australians and they don't 'need to' route via Sydney anyway. I'm not one of them but the inflexible approach, the irritating fact that people are likely to have bought houses around Sydney airport after it was already in existence (and probably the instrument procedures were in existence) and complaining about the noise etc do grate on me, and the fact that the noise-related curfew appears to be all politically driven is another source of irritation to me. If the residents don't like the noise from the airport there and they bought the house after the airport existed, give them a house at the back of Bourke and away from all the noise and see how they like it :p I bet many of those that complain about the noise would happily fly out of Sydney airport for their holiday and complain about the delay if THEIR flight got delayed 12 hours and they were stuck in the airport terminal somewhere due to Sydney curfew...

I do feel sorry for those who bought their house before the airport was built or an approach procedure was established over their house, but I really don't have any sympathy towards those who bought the house afterwards and complain about the noise - they should have known better, and if they failed to do their research beforehand, or have such little foresight that they could not expect the noise to bother them, that's their problem, not the airport's, airlines', or passengers', and they should not make it other people's problems.
 
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I have no issue with claims that SYD is not a great airport but to blame SYD for the fall in AUSTRALIAN travel is a leap without facts evidenced.

If you buy a house near an airport you are going to get noise. I have sympathy for people in Blacktown hit by hail - I have no sympathy for flight path survivors.
 
Not so long ago we had athread about how the TSA and the US Immigration service were responsible for the USA not having as great an increase in tourism as other countries.However in the last 12 months the US dollar has begun its slide and tourist numbers are starting to boom,particularly from Europe.Just try getting a cheap hotel room in NYC now.
We on the other hand are seeing our dollar strengthen.So I agree blaming Sydney airport is a bit rough.
I grew up on the Lane Cove river.I well remember in the early 50s the planes going overhead.Sure there are more now but it has been going on for a lot longer than most people have been in their houses.
 
Commuter said:
On the Sydney curfew thing, I know some people who would not fly long haul inbound to Australia via Sydney in case they get caught up by the curfew, but they are all local Australians and they don't 'need to' route via Sydney anyway. I'm not one of them but the inflexible approach, the irritating fact that people are likely to have bought houses around Sydney airport after it was already in existence (and probably the instrument procedures were in existence) and complaining about the noise etc do grate on me, and the fact that the noise-related curfew appears to be all politically driven is another source of irritation to me. If the residents don't like the noise from the airport there and they bought the house after the airport existed, give them a house at the back of Bourke and away from all the noise and see how they like it :p I bet many of those that complain about the noise would happily fly out of Sydney airport for their holiday and complain about the delay if THEIR flight got delayed 12 hours and they were stuck in the airport terminal somewhere due to Sydney curfew...

I do feel sorry for those who bought their house before the airport was built or an approach procedure was established over their house, but I really don't have any sympathy towards those who bought the house afterwards and complain about the noise - they should have known better, and if they failed to do their research beforehand, or have such little foresight that they could not expect the noise to bother them, that's their problem, not the airport's, airlines', or passengers', and they should not make it other people's problems.

The airport at Sydney has been there since the 1920s - albeit without the jet noise until 1959. Thus most of the people living in affected areas have bought there since the airport opened. The flight paths over parts of the metrop area e.g. the lower north shore for aircraft landing on 16L and 16R can be quite noisy at peak periods - say from 1700 to 1900 - but I'd rather the airport be where it is than way out in the boonies.
 
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Commuter said:
I do feel sorry for those who bought their house before the airport was built or an approach procedure was established over their house, but I really don't have any sympathy towards those who bought the house afterwards and complain about the noise - they should have known better, and if they failed to do their research beforehand, or have such little foresight that they could not expect the noise to bother them, that's their problem, not the airport's, airlines', or passengers', and they should not make it other people's problems.

What about the number of people who purchased their houses knowing that there is a curfew in place who would be adversely affected if the curfew was removed

I don't see any problem with there being a curfew given that the airport is close to residential areas

Dave
 
I'm with others, I can't really see how Sydney Airport is choking the Tourism industry. Surely the high exchange rate coupled with the success of domestic tourism (thanks to the low fares now on offer from JQ, DJ & TT) is making Australia a more expensive destination. One thing I have observed that (I assume because of the low fares in the market increasing demand), accommodation is going up and up in price and is much more expensive than compared to a few years ago.
 
Sydney is harming the tourist trade. Relative to movement growth in OOL and Darwin and Perth and Cairns and Melbourne, the Sydney trade is not scoping up new budget market or LCC share. Like the unfriendy US, it is underperforming as a tourist destination of choice.I n the above statement, there is a fudge factor for Sydney being Sydney.

Many tourists just say 'How much is Sydney', how much is "London' , say oh, I'll go there instead. The Euro and pomquid are at record high - but where is the Europe trade?

Bucket backpackers all you like, but they are important, durable spenders worth chasing. I suspect Syd airport has maximised sheer dollar 'yield' fully. The lack of an LCC in SYD, means tourist numbers are down - end of story.
If Ryan Air or .sg did SYD-LAX unfettered, one feels things might change a bit.

Take Tiger Airways $23 dollar MEL-SIN deal. Having an LCC wins price sensitive tourists, fills hotel rooms, and maybe a side trip. Sydney airport has huge fees/costs, so the airlines cannot offer deals to win new market share. Smarter countries know having an LCC grows business.

Travellers ARE price sensitive, there is price elaciticity and sensitivity. True, The Australian dollar has a lot to do wth it too. But claptrap articles that waffle on innovation. Nonsense, drop the price, and they shall come.
Present REAL competition, and they shall come.

Make things REALY expensive , and you get a cross sydney tunnel fiasco, and a lot of angry people who dig their heels in, and say nope, never going there.

As pointed out, the bright side of the coin is fewer tourist numbers, and Syd airport can proudly say that a bit of price gourging, is saving the environment and preventing global warming.
 
Ok so irrespective of other people's comments your "facts" on SYD/SACL are absolute.

Let's consider an LCC flying to the US from SYD. Given that over the past 3 years the exchange has moved from 2:1 to almost parity basically doubling the cost of being in SYD then the airfares need to be 50% of the current pricing.

I actually don't know what you are trying to compare - the airport? the protection of Oz/US slots? LCC vs. Full service.

You have made lots of statements but very few points. Mayve leave your agenda at the door and engage in some debate.
 
Dave Noble said:
What about the number of people who purchased their houses knowing that there is a curfew in place who would be adversely affected if the curfew was removed

I don't see any problem with there being a curfew given that the airport is close to residential areas

Dave
I'm not against the concept of curfew, but I do take exception to the lack of flexibility with Sydney curfew and also the fact that it appears to be basically used as a political tool (but then many, many things in life are used as a political tool). I am also against complaining about the noise in the hope that it becomes someone else's problem when they knew (or should have known) full well what they were letting themselves into when they bought the house.

But, in any case I really don't think Sydney Airport is the reason why Australian tourism is not doing so well.

Just an anecdotal stuff but a lot of my overseas friends mentioned that they have been put off visiting Australia by the high Australian dollars.

(Besides, surely tourists can't be so thick as not to know that Sydney was not the only place to come to in Australia? :p )
 
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The smart ones are already using other gateways if at all possible.
The thick ones dont even know SYD has a problem.
 
Commuter said:
I'm not against the concept of curfew, but I do take exception to the lack of flexibility with Sydney curfew and also the fact that it appears to be basically used as a political tool (but then many, many things in life are used as a political tool). I am also against complaining about the noise in the hope that it becomes someone else's problem when they knew (or should have known) full well what they were letting themselves into when they bought the house.

The existence of a curfew at Sydney not only appears to be a political tool, it is a political tool, and was driven by the political situation that exists around the airport with regard to electorates and so on.
 
oz_mark said:
The existence of a curfew at Sydney not only appears to be a political tool, it is a political tool, and was driven by the political situation that exists around the airport with regard to electorates and so on.

Not the least of which was the electorate of the former PM who lost his seat. Bennelong was directly under the flight path for A/C landing on 16L and 16R. I seem to remember it was he who contributed to the intro of "spreading the pain" of aircraft noise if the winds allowed landings on 34L and 34R or the east west runway - as much to spare the people of Bennelong some pain as to put it on people in seats held by the other blokes.
 
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How do you blame the tourism industry on an airport? Surely the rising dollar would have a major impact and we are so far from everywhere.

I still do not see the problems with SYD airport mentioned on AFF. Maybe the problems are with international to domestic transfers which I have not exprienced. I think PER, BNE and MEL have bigger problems than SYD.

I return through SYD airport from most overseas trips, at various times of the day/night, and I am home in less than 1 hour from the time of disembarking the aircraft. Where are the issues? Where are the lengthy queues?
 
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