SYD curfew

[Batesy]

I have noticed that there are QF flights landing at SYD prior to 6am. According to the QF arrivals info on the QF website QF6 landed at 5:18am and was actually 8 minutes late this morning. I thought that curfew lifted at 6am?? I live under the flightpath for the smaller runway in botany bay (north of the airport) and don't normally hear any aircraft until 6am.

 

[oz_mark]

It has permission to land then. See here http://www.frequentflyer.com.au/community/open-discussion/qf6-and-sydney-airport-curfew-12657.html

 

[bambbbam2]

Interesting the number of times the PER flights arrive in SYD at "10.59 PM"

Almost uncanny :mrgreen:

 

[oz_mark]

Interesting the number of times the PER flights arrive in SYD at "10.59 PM"

Almost uncanny :mrgreen:

I would guess that if they can't make it they land somewhere else. I don't believe QF can avoid the fine by fiddling the figures!

 

[Batesy]

Thanks, had me a little perplexed!!!

 

[bambbbam2]

I would guess that if they can't make it they land somewhere else. I don't believe QF can avoid the fine by fiddling the figures!

Well there is landing, and then there is arriving..

 

[ludoh]

When arriving on the QF6 (see thread link in previous post) it was scheduled to arrive prior to 6am. On approach to Sydney we had to circle near Newcastle for an hour as the winds prevented us from landing with a Botany approach. So I guess it depends on the conditions that morning.

 

[markis10]

Interesting the number of times the PER flights arrive in SYD at "10.59 PM"

Almost uncanny :mrgreen:

Wont be happening to QF 566 tonight ex Perth, its showing at 7.30PM departure, cannot see that happening :shock:

 

[Danger]

Wont be happening to QF 566 tonight ex Perth, its showing at 7.30PM departure, cannot see that happening :shock:

Now showing 8.10pm estimated departure and an ETA of 1.55am. Ouch. What happens to the curfew? Does QF simply pay the fine?

The black marks for 743s keep on coming.

 

[Evan]

The black marks for 743s keep on coming.

Don't worry there time will be up soon.... to become coke cans or freighters... i would guess with more 744's soon to be on the market (SQ guy told me they plan to retire all by 2010/2011) i dount many would look at a 743 except for spare parts.

I would also guess its just a case of a lot of bad luck in a short period with aircraft going un-servicable.

E

 

[oz_mark]

Now showing 8.10pm estimated departure and an ETA of 1.55am. Ouch. What happens to the curfew? Does QF simply pay the fine?

The black marks for 743s keep on coming.

I imagine that they will either:

1) Apply for an exemption
2) Land somewhere else (MEL, maybe even ADL)
3) Stay in PER Till it will arive after the curfew is lifted
4) Stay in PER if the crew ges out of hours

 

[kkutasi]

I imagine that they will either:

1) Apply for an exemption
2) Land somewhere else (MEL, maybe even ADL)
3) Stay in PER Till it will arive after the curfew is lifted
4) Stay in PER if the crew ges out of hours

i was in a DJ flight a few years ago from BNE that was delayed by bad weather and it was touch and go as to whether we would make it in by 11pm.

there was a fair bit of circling Botany Bay and then it struck 11, so the plane turned around and landed at NTL. coaches were hastily arranged and transported us to SYD. so finally arrived at around 5am

ever since i have been extremely careful not to take flights that run even the remotest risk of missing curfew (i just stay overnight and fly in the morning) - so i am not sure what happens on late QF flights. not even sure if DJ still diverts to NTL or BNE either

 

[oz_mark]

Wont be happening to QF 566 tonight ex Perth, its showing at 7.30PM departure, cannot see that happening :shock:

From what I can see they ended up cancelling this flight last night

 

[NM]

I imagine that they will either:

1) Apply for an exemption

I have never heard of dispensation being granted. Dispensation can only be granted by the Minister or his delegate.

2) Land somewhere else (MEL, maybe even ADL)

That is the normal approach if delayed enroute, having departed believing they could make it before curfew.

3) Stay in PER Till it will arive after the curfew is lifted
4) Stay in PER if the crew ges out of hours

this will be the likely choice if they know they are not going to make it before curfew.

 

[markis10]

I have never heard of dispensation being granted. Dispensation can only be granted by the Minister or his delegate.

Its not that rare to get a dispensation despite what the pollies may say, here is a selection form earlier this year that were either OK'd or denied:

DETAILS OF DISPENSATION
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Date: Tuesday, 26 February 2008 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Aircraft: B767-300 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Registration: VH-ZXE [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operator: Qantas [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operation: Departure after 11pm [/FONT]
CIRCUMSTANCES LEADING TO REQUEST
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Qantas flight QF548 (Sydney to Brisbane) was diverted to Canberra earlier in the evening due to weather conditions in Sydney. A hold was placed on QF548 in Canberra due to local storms resulting in delays to Sydney. Once ready for departure at Canberra, a passenger failed to board. This event triggered mandatory security checks and the removal of that passenger’s checked baggage. These mandatory security checks caused a further delay in take-off. Once the aircraft was to arrive in Sydney it was scheduled to depart for Brisbane. This flight had been delayed by the delay out of Canberra. Qantas was able to turn around the aircraft quickly to allow departure for Brisbane. There were 181 passengers and 10 crew members on board. [/FONT]​

Approved: Yes

DETAILS OF DISPENSATION
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Date: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Aircraft: B737-800 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Registration: VH-VBC [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operator: Virgin Blue [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operation: Arrival after 11pm [/FONT]
CIRCUMSTANCES LEADING TO REQUEST
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Virgin Blue flight DJ528 (Coolangatta to Sydney) was preparing to board passengers when an IT outage occurred affecting passenger boarding records. This required Virgin Blue to manually board passengers which created a delay to departure from Coolangatta. There were 115 passengers and 6 crew members on board. [/FONT]
Approved: Yes ​

DETAILS OF DISPENSATION
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Date: Monday, 3 March 2008 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Aircraft: B747-400 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Registration: VH-OJO [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operator: Qantas [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operation: Departure after 11pm [/FONT]
CIRCUMSTANCES LEADING TO REQUEST
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Qantas flight QF1 (Sydney to London) was preparing for departure when engineers discovered a fault in the brake hoses on the landing gear. Engineering examination determined the fault was repairable, but the departure would be delayed. There were 354 passengers and [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]20 crew on board. [/FONT]​

Approved: Yes

DETAILS OF DISPENSATION
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Date: Thursday, 6 March 2008 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Aircraft: A320-200 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Registration: VH-JQG [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operator: Jetstar [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operation: Arrival after 11pm [/FONT]
CIRCUMSTANCES LEADING TO REQUEST
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]On turnaround at Coolangatta of Jetstar flight JQ427 (Coolangatta to Sydney), a engine bleed fault was identified. After examination by engineers, Jetstar advised that the aircraft could operate with a high power engine run but would require to be towed onto the runway for departure. Examination of the fault and additional towing procedures delayed the scheduled flight which was originally due to arrive in Sydney at 9:55pm. There were 157 passengers (plus 6 infants) and 6 crew members on board. [/FONT]​

Approved: Yes

DETAILS OF DISPENSATION
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Date: Friday, 7 March 2008 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Aircraft: B747-400 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Registration: 9M-MPL [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operator: Malaysia Airlines [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operation: Departure after 11pm [/FONT]
CIRCUMSTANCES LEADING TO REQUEST ​

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Malaysia Airlines flight MH140 (Sydney to Kuala Lumpur) had encountered delays throughout the evening due to electrical storm activity which caused engineers, baggage loaders, cleaners, caterers to evacuate the tarmac for occupational safety reasons. Malaysia Airlines was loaded and almost ready for pushback at 10:55pm when containers in the cargo hold jammed, therefore inhibiting closure of the cargo hold door. By 11:05 the hold was finally closed, but by this time the pushback tug had disconnected. The tug had to be recalled to undertake pushback. There were 284 passengers and 20 crew members on board. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]DETAILS OF DISPENSATION [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Date: Friday, 7 March 2008 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Aircraft: A330-300 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Registration: VH-QPD [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operator: Qantas [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operation: Departure after 11pm [/FONT]
CIRCUMSTANCES LEADING TO REQUEST
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Qantas flight QF21 (Sydney to Tokyo) was unable to reposition the international flight from the domestic terminal due to electrical storm activity which caused personnel to evacuate the tarmac for occupational safety reasons. These evacuations significantly delayed the aircraft positioning to the international terminal for departure. In addition, the inbound arrival of an Air Ambulance taking priority further delayed departure. There were 299 passengers and 14 crew members on board. [/FONT]​

Approved: Yes

DETAILS OF DISPENSATION
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Date: Friday, 7 March 2008 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Aircraft: A330-300 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Registration: BLAE [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operator: Cathay Pacific [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operation: Departure after 11pm [/FONT]
CIRCUMSTANCES LEADING TO REQUEST
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Cathay Pacific flight CX138 (Sydney to Hong Kong) was unable to depart Sydney Airport due to the storm activity over Sydney and personnel being evacuated from the tarmac for safety reasons. There were 198 passengers and 13 crew members on board. [/FONT]​

Approved: Yes

DETAILS OF DISPENSATION
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Date: Wednesday, 12 March 2008 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Aircraft: A320-200 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Registration: VH-VQY [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operator: Jetstar [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operation: Arrival after 11pm [/FONT]
CIRCUMSTANCES LEADING TO REQUEST
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Jetstar flight JQ748 (Launceston to Sydney) suffered a compressor fault on turnaround in Launceston. After examination by engineers, Jetstar advised that the aircraft could operate with a high power engine run but would require to be towed onto the runway for departure. Examination of the fault and additional towing procedures delayed the scheduled flight. There were 152 passengers and 7 crew members on board. [/FONT]​

Approved: Yes

DETAILS OF DISPENSATION
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Date: Sunday, 2 March 2008 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Aircraft: B747-400 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Registration: VH-OJQ [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operator: Qantas [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Operation: Departure after 11pm [/FONT]
CIRCUMSTANCES LEADING TO REQUEST
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]An earlier Qantas flight (QF9) from Singapore to London suffered engine problems and diverted to Delhi for repair. After the engineering examination Qantas determined, some nine hours later, that a replacement aircraft was required to ensure minimal delays to the 354 passengers and 16 crew on board. Qantas had organised to use a B747-400 in its maintenance hangar, with a crew of 5 flight personnel and 10 engineers onboard to collect the passengers and crew stranded in Delhi and carry on the QF9 flight to London. When preparing the replacement aircraft from Sydney, a fuel valve problem was identified. After an engineering inspection the fault was deemed repairable but departure would be delayed until after the commencement of curfew. [/FONT]​

Approved: No
[/FONT]

 

[serfty]

I guess a 744 with a total of 15 people on board does not meet whatever criteria may be applied in discerning these applications.

 

[Evan]

Thats a little harsh ! Australian citizens stuck in India unplanned and they would make them wait even longer, i remember this incident and how QF got a lot of bad press, Then you find out it was somebody decideing if a replacment plane could take off or not that meant a further 8hrs delay to people.
E

 

[oz_mark]

Well I hope that the folk stuck in Delhi on the plane know the reason for a chunk of their delay. Hope the people of Sydney are satisfied in having this affect on others.

 

[straitman]

Well I hope that the folk stuck in Delhi on the plane know the reason for a chunk of their delay. Hope the people of Sydney are satisfied in having this affect on others.

Sydneysiders causing the rest of Australia grief again.

 

[kkutasi]

Sydneysiders causing the rest of Australia grief again.

i suspect most of us Sydneysiders would be happy for planes to land round the clock. its just a few NIMBYs who whinge about the noise.

yet it was these same people who all chose to buy or rent under the flight path... w*nkers if you ask me