Should under 3YO fly commercial services?

[Mgjdubs]

Yep you nailed the solution.

Book all the seats in F or J or get your own G650.

Or suck it up and get over it.

 

[Blinky]

Blinky - you'd almost go platinum if you could family pool all 7 kids onto the one account!

Not a hope, unfortunately. Eldest daughter is married to a FC Manager (and good bloke) and doesn't need points to travel just everywhere. Two of the boys work for Melbourne footy club, and one is gold (at least). The best I could do was borrow 5,000 points off him to book our J class European holiday, but heaven forbid if I didn't get them back to him quickly. Oldest son has moved into a new job at Monash which will involve a fair bit of travel.

The sad thing is that while poor old Dad may not be able to maintain gold status for much longer, a few of the kids will be closing in on platinum in no time at all.

 

[LAH]

Sad, sad Blinky - that our kids can't look after us as our ff points decline!!!! Where's the gratitude? Don't throw a tantrum : they'll just ignore you!

 

[anat0l]

Of course you are not happy, but you do your best. I got the job of walking the baby up and down the aisle, which usually did the trick. A bit of cough for the bub also often worked.

I do understand it can be annoying, but it's not the only annoying thing on a flight. Personally, we were lucky as our kids were good sleepers.

of course not, and that is why I say have a thought for the poor parents who are probably mortified and doing their best to resolve the crying!

The point of asking was actually to get the highlighted statement.

When a baby / child cries, no one is happy (rather literally). So for those who are "annoyed" bitterly by the crying, they hopefully know that their parents (assuming they are of the responsible type) are not happy either.

My view is that a responsible parent is trying their best. I'm not a parent (far from it) so how to calm a crying baby or child is far beyond my ability; and I will guess now that it is not a science or a formula / flow charted process. I have no contempt for a responsible parent on an aircraft, even if I was in J or F, and if I had paid for it in full cash. I do harbour contempt for irresponsible parents who make no attempt to calm / discipline (for older ones) their children and let them run amok on the aircraft.

I'm fairly lucky that I haven't had a flight where I've at least had to witness a parent who is irresponsible. I've had only one flight where I've been in the same premium cabin (J or F) as an infant or young child; I have to say there was no problem at all - lucky or not.......

 

[docjames]

Of course now all the kid bearers are trying to shut me off just defend their turf, surprise surprise. I'll stick to what I'm saying and will be closing off this ridiculous fight as it's just leading nowhere. Fact is: Kids under the age of 3 suck big time on an aircraft :evil:, are a nuisance for everyone around them an most likely get traumatized for life just so that their ego-loaded parents can have a nice time. People like that should't even get kids but that's a different topic altogether.

a) this whole suggestion of banning is frankly offensive for all the reasons previously pointed out

b) do you think all travel is "to have a nice time"?

c) whilst some kids may be a "nuisance", the vast majority are not and are less of a nuisance than many of the "adults" on board - who else should be banned if "nuisance" and "suck" is a criteria

d) "traumatized for life" - how patronizing - exactly how is a 3yo traumatized for life by going on an aircraft? Most seem to love flying.


Frankly all your responses in this thread border on trolling / being deliberately offensive just to get a rise out of people.

 

[nlagalle]

d) "traumatized for life" - how patronizing - exactly how is a 3yo traumatized for life by going on an aircraft? Most seem to love flying.

Thats what I'd like to know. how exactly are they traumatised Berlin???? can you explain it in detail? I'd like to know what bad thing I've done to my child???

 

[Simo]

Thats what I'd like to know. how exactly are they traumatised Berlin???? can you explain it in detail? I'd like to know what bad thing I've done to my child???

I think Kids could be traumatised sitting next to Berlin

 

[anat0l]

I think Kids could be traumatised sitting next to Berlin

I thought the idea was that Berlin would not be sitting next to any kids and thus there would be no trauma.

Unless of course, they were kids who had some sort of medical emergency / condition, or visiting a dying grandparent or the like, in which case they are already somewhat traumatised I guess.

 

[JohnPhelan]

Re: 17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You

What should we do with kiddies that recline in Y?

Refer them to JohnK ??

 

[medhead]

Having suffered (sitting near) a father who did absolutely nothing from SIN to FRA and a mother who was completely overwhelmed, I agree wholeheartedly about good parents making a major difference.

Thanks for that responsible comment, I can wholeheartedly agree and have witnessed cases of well-behaved (because well looked after) kids like this as well. I just wish all parents thought like this!

Really? I didn't see any qualification about good parents in your statement that all children should be banned. So now it is at all children should be banned*#^


* except if they have terminally ill relatives
# except if their parents must move for work
^ except if they have good parents

 

[JohnPhelan]

And only if I'm in the minority doesn't proof it's me who's ridiculous here. It's always the cornered animals who whack out the hardest

Why do you feel cornered ?

 

[Deleted member 29185]

Just read the first 3 pages and I felt like I was trapped in a revolving door...........to save my "traumatisation" of reading the other 9 pages, can anyone tell me if it's worthwhile?

BTW, FWIW, my three kids have all flown before their 2nd birthday and all of them learnt to snow ski before their 2nd birthday. It sort of reminds me of a comment I heard Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) make in an interview. He said his mother was always "preparing" him for the life he'll start later. He said it wasn't until he was about 21 or so that he realised life starts at day dot and he wished he could have lived it from then instead of so much "preparing".

 

[Mal]

Just read the first 3 pages and I felt like I was trapped in a revolving door...........to save my "traumatisation" of reading the other 9 pages, can anyone tell me

There is nothing worthwhile in this thread. Circular logic around babies and children and those who love or Hate them.

 

[Pushka]

Berlin, in your argument you committed a basic error. You gave the reason why under 3s should be banned was because it was bad for their health as it was a traumatic experience. But now you are saying its because you don't want them in the business and first class spoiling your expensive flight, so I can only assume you've changed your reasoning or that it only damages their health when they fly in business and first class.

 

[Berlin]

I's interesting how many of the comments here are borderline schizophrenic, people seriously asking for "tolerance" and moaning about "how bad society has become" while at the same time demanding special rights and obedience by every one around yourself just because- big deal- you've managed to pop some offspring. Obviously, that's the same ones who bring children into the world without thinking of the consequences and then demand the rest of society to help with the upbringing.

Just in case the news hasn't made it all the way to WA: Only because you're in the oppressing majority, this give you any special rights and doesn't make your opinion any more valid, no matter how much you bash onto me for my opposing views. I haven't attacked anyone at all personally, very much unlike some of the attacks I have gotten. But I guess if you live with such a distorted view of reality like some people seem to do, then you'll do what ever it takes to uphold this view if someone to point out what's wrong here. Seen it before, will see it again.

And no, I'm not trolling in the slightest. Just stating my views on the matter which happen to not fit the mainstream.

 

[ashleyn]

Just read the first 3 pages and I felt like I was trapped in a revolving door...........to save my "traumatisation" of reading the other 9 pages, can anyone tell me if it's worthwhile?

BTW, FWIW, my three kids have all flown before their 2nd birthday and all of them learnt to snow ski before their 2nd birthday. It sort of reminds me of a comment I heard Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) make in an interview. He said his mother was always "preparing" him for the life he'll start later. He said it wasn't until he was about 21 or so that he realised life starts at day dot and he wished he could have lived it from then instead of so much "preparing".

Revolving door goes around and around ....

 

[Berlin]

Why do you feel cornered ?

Touché for that funny response, I left that door wide open, didn't I!

 

[nlagalle]

I's interesting how many of the comments here are borderline schizophrenic, people seriously asking for "tolerance" and moaning about "how bad society has become" while at the same time demanding special rights and obedience by every one around yourself just because- big deal- you've managed to pop some offspring. Obviously, that's the same ones who bring children into the world without thinking of the consequences and then demand the rest of society to help with the upbringing.

Just in case the news hasn't made it all the way to WA: Only because you're in the oppressing majority, this give you any special rights and doesn't make your opinion any more valid, no matter how much you bash onto me for my opposing views. I haven't attacked anyone at all personally, very much unlike some of the attacks I have gotten. But I guess if you live with such a distorted view of reality like some people seem to do, then you'll do what ever it takes to uphold this view if someone to point out what's wrong here. Seen it before, will see it again.

And no, I'm not trolling in the slightest. Just stating my views on the matter which happen to not fit the mainstream.

Berlin, you still haven't answered my question. I'd like to know how I traumatised my child with taking her flying? Should I take her to counselling? or is she scared for life? you made a bold statement so please back it up with some facts.

 

[Blinky]

Berlin, you still haven't answered my question. I'd like to know how I traumatised my child with taking her flying? Should I take her to counselling? or is she scared for life? you made a bold statement so please back it up with some facts.

I wouldn't hold my breath. Berlin's posts have been fact-free so far. All we have is intolerant, marginally bigoted opinions. Which as I said earlier are worth nothing when weighed against the facts that children have the right to fly, and also against the opinions of nearly all here, including the childless, that kids are a minor annoyance at worst, and less irritating than many adults.

 

[MatF]

OP, you lost me when you called me a "breeder". From the context, I presume that was intended to be derogatory?