Should under 3YO fly commercial services?

[medhead]

Ouhm- could you please have a scroll back up- I've specifically excluded cases like this from the start as I personally know enough parents who have to travel for reasons like you mention. I have enough friends and work colleagues who have to travel with their kids for work reasons etc. and they are usually the first once to admit that it's not ideal for the kids and that they'd wait until the kids grow a bit older if they had a choice. I'm talking about the kind of joy travellers who couldn't care at all about their surroundings. Or their crying kids, for that matter.

Answer the question! How in the hell do you know why a random child is travelling?

You can put in all the weasel words you like the fact remains you have no way to know why a child is in an aircraft yet you would ban them.

 

[RWJ777]

Re: 17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You

I think having little kids in Y is sort part and parcel of the joys - not! - of economy travel and while I have been subjected to some pretty noisy instances of kiddies crying (sometimes screaming) in Y myself (one hideous flight from Singapore to Paris springs to mind), for the most part they're OK and the parents do their best to pacify them if they start crying. I don't really think it would be appropriate or fair to exclude them from travel in Y.

HOWEVER, if I were paying big bucks for J or F, I most definitely would be peeved if a little kid cried and cried. I rather think in those circumstances parents should not travel with kiddies in J or F and opt for Y. I think the issue is more likely to arise in J -- as parents of toddlers or lttle kids, except maybe Brangelina types etc, would be unlikely to afford F -- and to my mind businesspeople are entitled to work and rest without lots of noise.

 

[whatmeworry]

Re: 17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You

What should we do with kiddies that recline in Y?

 

[LAH]

Re: 17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You

I did have a long haul business class flight spoiled by kids : 3 of them to be exact. 1 next to me, 2 in the aisle and their parents over on the other side of the aircraft. Yep, I was exhausted and off on another work trip and these days I wait until the flight so that I can relax. I was seething, especially when I realised they weren't going to be quiet. As a working single parent, I have alot of kid time (mostly good, but sometimes downright annoying!), and I wasn't particularly happy about the situation. Aircraft was full so they couldn't move me.

Okay : time to change my attitude and it changed my whole flight. I started talking to the kids and making suggestions which they were delighted to receive. Parents were smiling, infant sleeping, then after building a line of communication with the kids, I made the suggestion that it was time to settle down and get some sleep. Parents didn't even blink at my very mild disciplinary attitude toward their kids, because their kids had also had a bit of fun time with me. In fact, I think parents were happy to have 'nanny' on board.

So, it wasn't the flight I wanted. I could have sulked all the way and made it an even worse trip. Hey, I am flying a commercial airline - it happens!! These kids, although noisy and moving around alot, were nice, happy kids. The infant had a cry occasionally, but was over the other side of aircraft. Flight not really spoiled : although I have had at least 2 long haul flights completely spoiled by adult passengers!

 

[RWJ777]

Re: 17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You

What should we do with kiddies that recline in Y?

Or kiddies reclining while screaming in J on a flight shut-down by AJ!

 

[medhead]

Whilst we're banning, can we get rid of windbags from Darlinghurst?

not sure what you're trying to say. But, since I spend a lot of time there when not at home in Adelaide, I thought I'd let you know that I tried to ban myself from flying. Unfortunately, got the email yesterday confirming I screwed up the interview so you can't ban me just yet.

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[defurax]

If the real issue here is noise: BOSE created QC15 headphones and when I use them I couldn't care less if all PAX in the plane are crying and screaming including DYKWIA, drunks, infants, air marshals, FAs and pilots. For absolute bliss: QC15 + eyeshade.

Re: change in air pressure is a traumatic event for infants, maybe, no clue... is there an otorhinolaryngologist on this forum?

 

[Simo]

My 3 year old has flown J and been been into Flounges.

We paid for her ticket so if the airlines sells it she is entitled to be in J.

She had one cry for the entire journey to NAN.

She got her fingers stuck between the tray table and the seat. Ouch.

 

[Sprucegoose]

My 3 year old has flown J and been been into Flounges.

We paid for her ticket so if the airlines sells it she is entitled to be in J.

She had one cry for the entire journey to NAN.

She got her fingers stuck between the tray table and the seat. Ouch.

Couldn't agree more!!

People should get real.

 

[JessicaTam]

Good grief! I am staggered that the OP has chosen this line of attack for people with children. Surely there are other websites more suitable than AFF to complain about 'breeders'.

Maybe berlin would be more comfortable in 11F, where they could share their angst with another serial whinger.

If you don't like the occasional disturbance from a 3y.o. fly private and choose your fellow passengers with care.

 

[Berlin]

It's usually the most irresponsible parents who get most aggressive if someone dares to point out that not everyone loves their little bundles of joy. I'm only rolling my eyes now, just ridiculous how some people get into a rage just because I dare to state my opinion.

 

[11sjw]

not sure what you're trying to say. But, since I spend a lot of time there when not at home in Adelaide, I thought I'd let you know that I tried to ban myself from flying. Unfortunately, got the email yesterday confirming a screwed up the interview so you can't ban me just yet.

medhead, had no idea you were based in Darlinghurst and always "knew" you were "from" Adelaide.

 

[UP4014]

This is a great thread. I just don't get why someone who doesn't like kids would post it on a board full of parents. :shock:

Berlin, as my dear old grandma always said, if you don't have anything good to say don't say anything and she told me that when I was a kid.

Matt.

ps. I do love taking my 2 yo on the plane especially in first, she loves it, I love it, the crew love it for me it's worth the extra fare for the joy and smiles.

 

[UP4014]

pps. Oh, and my dear old papa said when you're in a hole stop digging.


:mrgreen::mrgreen:

 

[11sjw]

I'm only rolling my eyes now, just ridiculous how some people get into a rage just because I dare to state my opinion.

It's the extremity and "ridiculousness" of your opinion that is the issue.

FYI I used "windbag" as a synonym of "gasbag" and urban dictionary is your friend.

 

[Berlin]

It's the extremity and "ridiculousness" of your opinion that is the issue.

FYI I used "windbag" as a synonym of "gasbag" and urban dictionary is your friend.

I'm far from looking up whatever insult you've used on me on an online dictionary, thank you very much. And only if I'm in the minority doesn't proof it's me who's ridiculous here. It's always the cornered animals who whack out the hardest

 

[nickykim]

It clearly is (not) an issue. Flew back to Melbourne from Auckland yesterday evening Y. Beside me 2 parents with a 18 month old. To my left parents with 1 under 1, 1 under 2 and 1 under 5. Behind me 3 over 5 under 10 plus Dad. Biggest grizzle was when the parent of the under 1 couldn't get the lid on the bottle fast enough. Lasted all of 3 minutes. Well done all round to the parents.

Okay it wasn't a long flight but the couple to my left were flying back to South Africa so were ready (and prepared) for a long flight.

I have been on flights where children were an issue but it reflected the attitude of the parents more than anything else.

p.s. I do have a child, she took her first commercial flight at 3 days old - the alternative would have been a three day 4x4 trip. Which would have caused trauma?

p.p.s. she is now 20 and reclined her seat last night for a short period but did ask first!

 

[ozbeachbabe]

I don't think we give kids as much credit as they deserve when it comes to travel & how they handle it.

IMO adults need the kids to go with them as kids absorb & retain more info about boarding gates, have the automatic checkin down pat (despite having never used it before) & can show their parents how to work the IFE once onboard. I guess the parents have other things on their mind like if they've remember to ask the neighbours to bring in the mail.

I think travel is a great education & learning experience for kids so it would be a shame to deny them this opportunity because you had a bad experience once.

Annoying people come in all ages, shapes & sizes so let's give little people a fair go.

 

[JessicaTam]

I'm far from looking up whatever insult you've used on me on an online dictionary, thank you very much. And only if I'm in the minority doesn't proof it's me who's ridiculous here. It's always the cornered animals who whack out the hardest

Now that is funny!

 

[11sjw]

. And only if I'm in the minority doesn't proof it's me who's ridiculous here.

I've tried Google translator but it can't work out what you're trying to say here.