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Travelling back to Sydney from SIN in J on SQ231 last Friday morning with the 3 kids and wife.
As the aircraft taxis a guy in the front of our section of the cabin (we were in rows 24/25) gets out of his seat and is told firmly to sit down. Does so, but then gets up as the a/c rotates (!) and staggers down the aisle introducing himself to every passenger (including my kids and me). Looked into his eyes and something is clearly amiss - there's nothing there. Alcohol, drugs, medication?
Cabin crew screaming at him to sit down but he keeps going back to the WC area. Not sure how he got back to his seat but once the crew were released the CS approaches him and starts what will become a 2 hour conversation (on and off) with this moron.
I decided to stay awake - past experience tells me dudes like this are not predictable. Also offered to help the FAs if they needed someone to sit on him if required.
Finally they get him quietened down but the same thing happens later during turbulence.
CS (with backup from other crew) eventually decide enough is enough and force him into a seat.
As we disembark I walked past him (resisting the urge to put the boot in......) and notice he's in cuffs.
Meanwhile on the same flight the 6 yo of the couple behind my wife decides to poo his pants (and mose of the seat cover. Crew clean him up and offer the mother a nappy, who's horrified: "He's six - he doesn't need a nappy!". (I beg to differ!). Sure enough, and hour after the cleanup and deodorising process, he does it again. My poor wife was beside herself, and claimed to be suffocating with the stench.
So, yeah, pleasant flight home.........................right up there with the time a farmer next to me dropped an entire pack of butter into my shoe without me noticing - until I put it back on during decent after a 15 hour trip sfrom the US in Y!
I stress these current incidents weren't SQ's fault. They handled things well.
And oh yeah - the coppers were waiting on arrival, but didn't enter the aircraft until we were off.
Have a great day
Peter

WHAT CAN I SAY...WOW...I will be honest with you. In Business class I have never encountered this nor might I say in Economy as well. Not this bad. I feel sorry for the flight attendants who have to put up with people like this. All I can say is I hope not does not happen in a few weeks as my wife and I are flying Business on Emirates on holidays.
 
A few years ago I was traveling back from Norway via London Heathrow back to Brisbane via Hong Kong with Cathay. I was gold with Qantas so I had access to the Cathay lounge. I arrived at the lounge and found it almost empty. An elderly couple in a corner and 5-6 young bankers having a great time (a bit rowdy but in good spirits). I grabbed a bite to eat and a drink and started to txt my wife saying I was checked in and the flight to HK was on time. Just as I finished, a mum and 2 badly behaved children ran in the lounge screaming like banshees, charging around the food area and drinks area. The mum was on face time to her husband and ignored the bad behaviour of her kids. This went on for 20 minutes. I decided to take action, so I went up to the drinks area and picked up the biggest glass, filled up with ice then topped up with lemonade and turned around as the young boy wizzed passed on his 40th lap of the drinks island, lungs at full volume. As he passed me, he banged into me so I poured the lemonade over his head, he stopped on a dime !! I said "Oops, you shouldn't be running in here !" and walked off, his mother didn't see the funny side but said nothing to me. I left the longe early as my blood was boiling. As I left the lounge, I thanked the staff for a "great lounge, shame about some of the clients". Karma coughped on me...........I was front row of economy (as the company I work for are tight coughs) and said lemonade drenched kid was in a rear seat in Business, he was jumping on his seat like it was a trampoline. Again, mum ignored his poor behaviour and let him carry on jumping. The crew tried to calm him down to no avail. They gave him some ice-cream before take-off that suspect was laced with some sort of knock out drops because within 2 minutes, he was out cold for the entire flight !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Yes when I read the OP noting he boarded with THREE kids and did not specify the ages, that was my first thought!

Did 44 hours of long haul last week in biz, and like most here, the stories we could all write about kids in biz on long flights ...............

All parents of course vehemently declare THEIR offspring were superbly behaved!

But that aside, agree it sounds like a nasty experience all round. Hope they throw the book at that guy.

Thought I'd just cover this one briefly. My kids are 8, 10 and 12. Spend their entire flights either sleeping, eating or watching movies. I am a very strict parent (comes with age!) and I don't tolerate them misbehaving - and thankfully they never have. They are also instructed to, and do, say please and thank you to the attendants whenever they do something for them. Our worst incident was a dropped croissant on one flight - which I retrieved and disposed of. I do take your point that 3 kids would fill some with dread when they see us board - but we change their minds with our behaviour on our flights.

Edited as I see aviatorinsight posited already.

Is it handcuffs or cable ties? Handcuffs would seem to introduce an unnecessary risk (if the key went missing for example during an emergency).

Also to note that while the captain’s authority may be absolute on board the aircraft, they can still be held accountable for their actions once the plane has landed (in other words, you still have to act reasonably).

In this case it was cable ties - the thick black ones, not the thin ones we use in data centres.
I do know that, at least a few years ago, QF had metal handcuffs. Have seen them myself - not in use!
 
In this case it was cable ties - the thick black ones, not the thin ones we use in data centres.
I do know that, at least a few years ago, QF had metal handcuffs. Have seen them myself - not in use!
I had similar experience a few years back on QF BKK-SYD where we stopped in CNS to let someone off. Unrelated but AFP were also onboard. The guy broke out of the cable ties multiple times so they were next to useless.

Not a pleasant flight.
 
Apparently you can! I saw it in a Youtube video with the crew make up trainer saying it.

It’s true that SQ still uses this as a marketing thing. But the campaign, while highly successful, is also widely criticised as it is seen as sexist, and shows Singapore ‘Girls’ as subservient. Not really matching current coughminity expectations regarding the empowerment of women.
 
It’s true that SQ still uses this as a marketing thing. But the campaign, while highly successful, is also widely criticised as it is seen as sexist, and shows Singapore ‘Girls’ as subservient. Not really matching current coughminity expectations regarding the empowerment of women.

Straying off topic, this is always a debatable area as the empowerment of women is seen as a Western value being brought upon other non-Western cultures.
 
1)... in high doses maybe and there is a delay in action depending on where you injected it. Constipation takes several days to kick in. And constipation and diarrhoea often coexist.
2) In a struggle and a moving target? I hope for the sake of the crew you have accurate aim.
3) again you have cannulated a vein?. What would happen if you injected propofol into anything other than a vein?
4) lets say you are a good aim, in which case I hope you are good with CPR and have advanced resuscitation equipment with you. Good samaritan protection wont exist in these cases. Hope you have indemnity
5) In any case none of these drugs will ever be available
Boo Hoo - I'd feeling be all cut up because I might damage somebody imperiling the life of my loved one.

I did say I'd happily do the injecting while they held him down.

Whatever i did to him would be less dangerous than what would happen to him should I pull out my aircraft-grade, aluminium tactical pen.
Regards,
Renato
 
Just where did you get your medical qualifications?
Sorry but it sounds like they were found in a Corn Flakes packet.
YouTube has instructions for everything.
Regards,
Renato
 
I think this is the person that at some stage was advocating just taking nodoz or the equivalent and driving for 30 hours or something :eek:
 
Agree it was a shocker of a flight.

But for the man this could be a mental health issue and that requires a bit of compassion rather than animosity. I've had a couple of similar instances over the years and the crew have, both times, allowed the man to walk around the plane rather than try to force them to stay seated. The basis for this (and admittedly it wasn't during a 'fasten seat belt time') was that it is better to keep them calm rather than escalate the situation.

Maybe the child had special needs too? Although perhas the parent could have pre-emtively taken them to the WC :(
Them? Was there more than one man?
 
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