Selling QFF points on eBay

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Ebay doesn't seem to want to get involved in this. I reported the sales as contrary to policy several days ago but nothing was done. I was concerned about the bidders winning and getting scammed (not necessarily because points transfers are against the terms and conditions or anything). The sellers must know they aren't allowed to do this.
 
It's a breach of the QFF T&C's but its not against the law. Why would eBay care?

They have buyer protection programmes in place to cover the buyer after the fact.
 
The Rok said:
It's a breach of the QFF T&C's but its not against the law. Why would eBay care?

They have buyer protection programmes in place to cover the buyer after the fact.
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Exactly right

Ebay will not care and I find it :D that people think that Ebay will run and stop these auctions just because

Again, Ebay wants as many auctions to complete as possible, more $$ and more $$ through PayPal
 
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now has feedback for 3 purchases from the FF Point sellers.
Looks like they have received their dollars.
 
LuisT said:
This guy has done it a bit and has received good feedback, so obviously some of these are going through.

eBay Feedback Profile for george370

Seems expensive though. Actually looks like he's bought and sold points...
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Looking at those dates how does s/he get around the once every 12 month transfer, or they might have access to multiple accounts
 
ozmille said:
Looking at those dates how does s/he get around the once every 12 month transfer, or they might have access to multiple accounts
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Someone paid $255 for 10,000 QFF points.

God there are some morons out there.
 
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power71 said:
They ended because "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available"

I think ebay may have sent them a nice message advising it is against their listing policies.
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RedRoo is alive and well after all ;)
Points selling for weeks on EvilBay and the party ends after less than 2 days on AFF :cool:
 
Qantas is able to get auctions pulled. They have done it before.

And like I commented earlier, various loyalty scheme providers do have sway with eBay and can get information. Plus they can act a buyer themselves....

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Simo said:
We have the Power(Evil laugh now)
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Wow this and other statements seems to say quiet a lot about the mind set of some on this forum.

Realy cant see what the problem is here, FF points are an asset owned by the individual who has earned them, if they choose to convert that asset into cash to someone who is willing to pay for them, then let them, the trade is monitored by ebay and protection is offered to the buyer both through ebay and/or paypal if they use that as a way of payment.
Why this would be of any concern to people who seem to think that they are the "guardians" of the QF FF scheme is beyond me.
 
Feper said:
Wow this and other statements seems to say quiet a lot about the mind set of some on this forum.

Realy cant see what the problem is here, FF points are an asset owned by the individual who has earned them, if they choose to convert that asset into cash to someone who is willing to pay for them, then let them, the trade is monitored by ebay and protection is offered to the buyer both through ebay and/or paypal if they use that as a way of payment.
Why this would be of any concern to people who seem to think that they are the "guardians" of the QF FF scheme is beyond me.
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I agree with you in principle, with two caveats. firstly the qf points are not owned by the member, they are retained by qantas. not that that really matters in the grand scheme of things, if someone want to sell them and can get away with it then its not for me to police.

however, I was concerned for the buyers. overly inflated prices, and the potential for fraud. it seems the bidders are highly inexperienced travellers, otherwise they wouldn't be bidding unrealistic sums to buy the miles. so they probably don't know what they're getting themselves into... possibillity for qf to cancel the transaction, possibility they could try and fly and have the ticket seized at the airport. and then good luck to them trying to get their money back from the seller, who has to be slightly dodgy because they know they shouldn't be selling them in the first place.
 
power71 said:
They ended because "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available"

I think ebay may have sent them a nice message advising it is against their listing policies.
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An alternative conspiracy theory is that they had an offer for the points before the auction ended and took it.

TBH, I can't see why (commercially) Qantas would have a problem with the whole idea. Outstanding points are a liability for QFF. If they're traded and used - less liability for QFF, somebody gets a redemption flight or an upgrade, whoever didn't want the points gets some cash - sounds like a win all round to me.

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Steve
 
I think having the points "commercialised" only increases the chance of fraud based activities.

Flea bay certainly seems to breed new and amazingly complex methods of deception particularly to those who are more susceptible to scams.

Needless to say personally I couldn't give two hoots if the sell or get taken down, but I am concerned about potential victims.


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MEL_Traveller said:
I agree with you in principle, with two caveats. firstly the qf points are not owned by the member, they are retained by qantas. not that that really matters in the grand scheme of things, if someone want to sell them and can get away with it then its not for me to police.

however, I was concerned for the buyers. overly inflated prices, and the potential for fraud. it seems the bidders are highly inexperienced travellers, otherwise they wouldn't be bidding unrealistic sums to buy the miles. so they probably don't know what they're getting themselves into... possibillity for qf to cancel the transaction, possibility they could try and fly and have the ticket seized at the airport. and then good luck to them trying to get their money back from the seller, who has to be slightly dodgy because they know they shouldn't be selling them in the first place.
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Ebay is full of goods going at overly inflated prices, but that is the beauty of ebay, people will pay what they choose to.

As for the potential for fraud, there is a potential for fraud with any trade, this one is no different.
 
Maybe the three auctions were pulled by the sellers after the discussions here?

An auction ended this morning, 24,000 for $465.

Good on the sellers/buyers if they can get away with it, noting T&C's.

It's the complete turnaround from not being able to hock visitors passes do now being able to offload
First Class/Qantas Club passes and now points freely on Ebay. Curious what happened to the
agreement Qantas/Ebay must have had in place a few years back.
 
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