Scoot to commence SIN-OOL service from 12 June

[kevrosmith]

In regard to the possible OOL-SYD leg of a possible SIN-OOL-SYD flight, I haven't read anything to suggest that OOL and SYD would be hit in a single fight, it is possible that Scoot could offer 2 separate and direct SIN-OOL and SIN-SYD services. However, I would assume that the OOL-SYD leg would only be able to be flown in conjunction with a corresponding international Scoot flight. The only airlines that offer domestic service from a international terminal are QF and JQ (AO also did before they were JQed), DJ/VA maybe allowed but as far as I am aware they keep their domestic and international service separate. Many other international carriers do fly between 2 or more domestic Australian ports, possibly because this is more economical than flying separate flights from their own home hub. I personally have flown on TG BKK-SYD-MEL and a CX HKG-CNS-BNE flights. These carriers do not offer these domestic legs separately, they can only be flown if they are part of an international flight on the same flight number (and honestly I can not see any benefit from a PAX pov having these domestic stops, even if chasing FFP and Status the domestic leg is ignored because it is one flight number). It was pointed out that QF does offer a SYD-LAX-JFK flight but that can not be booked as a stand alone domestic American flight. It can only be booked in conjunction with a QF flight to LAX. Now I as understand the issue with Jetstar is that they were using foreign crew from there international arms to operate Australian domestic flight on non Australian conditions, which some people have an issue with.

Anyway in regard to Scoot it seems very unlikely that they will offer domestic Australian service even if they do fly SIN-OOL-SYD(-SIN) so they probably wont have to worry about Australian employment conditions.

The govt announced some time ago that international airlines would get incentives (dispensation in one sense) if they flew into the major airports (with limited slot schedules) if they flew via a regional port, such as CNS and OOL (Similar to what CX does with HKG-BNE via CNS - though they were already doing this). It is meant to be an incentive to get more international airlines to use regional ports and to reduce some of the pressure on the majors. I'm not saying Scoot is planning to do this, but it may help increase their rights to acces SYD (for example) if they did.

As someone else said, international airlines don't necessarily have rights to carry domestic pax on domestic sectors (this is known as domestic on-carriage or DOC). This is all governed by airline "freedom rights" and most international pax don't have the freedom in Australia for DOC pax.

 

[samh004]

An issue I’d think for SIN-OOL-onwards is the turnaround time. Usually pax are made to get off, re-clear security and then get back on, or certainly that’s been the case through BNE/CNS on CX. I’d imagine the hassle of doing that via stairs into OOL, as well as the rather small security point would be an issue. Though I’m not sure if this already happens with JQ Japan services? I’d just assume that things would take a lot longer at OOL because of their infrastructure issue.

 

[Deleted member]

Aerobridges cost >$1 million each, so it comes down to economics, not practicalities... I haven't flown to SE Asia, but I'd bet there are many major airports (with probably greater pax volume than OOL) in the SE Asian equatorial region with even more frequent tropical rain down pours that don't have aerobridges.

Which is fine I you don't have knee issues and stairs are an easy option for you.

 

[serfty]

... However, I would assume that the OOL-SYD leg would only be able to be flown in conjunction with a corresponding international Scoot flight. ...

Not true; it just needs to be part of an international itinerary.

... The only airlines that offer domestic service from a international terminal are QF and JQ (AO also did before they were JQed) ...

You forgot UA between SYD and MEL, again, as long as being part of an international itinerary.

... These carriers do not offer these domestic legs separately, they can only be flown if they are part of an international flight on the same flight number ...

It's their choice, they could offer as part of an international itinerary if they wished.

... It was pointed out that QF does offer a SYD-LAX-JFK flight but that can not be booked as a stand alone domestic American flight. It can only be booked in conjunction with a QF flight to LAX. ...

This is because Qantas choose to only sell this segment to those who have travelled to/from the USA on Qantas in the same booking. It legally does not need to be Qantas, it just needs to be an international itinerary.

Search for "Cabotage" and "Freedoms of the Air".

 

[dajop]

You forgot UA between SYD and MEL, again, as long as being part of an international itinerary.

It seems for the SYD/MEL sector, UA apply the same rules as QF do between LAX and JFK. On FT there are accounts of people on BMI awards (international itineraries) with TG or SQ sectors to SYD or MEL being denied boarding on SYD-MEL on UA, despite having tickets for the flights.

But back to the topic at hand, I would be very surprised if Scoot have any connecting services. Unless they can't fill a plane, doing stopovers just adds costs to true LCC operations. Jetstar obviously do it for a range of reasons, but not to many LCCs do this. It would also remove a competitive advantage that Scoot will have over Air Asia in the Singapore market - non-stop flights - ie no need to transit elsewhere.

 

[ozbeachbabe]

I personally have flown on TG BKK-SYD-MEL and a CX HKG-CNS-BNE flights. These carriers do not offer these domestic legs separately, they can only be flown if they are part of an international flight on the same flight number (and honestly I can not see any benefit from a PAX pov having these domestic stops, even if chasing FFP and Status the domestic leg is ignored because it is one flight number).

However a pax could fly BKK TG SYD stopover then SYD TG MEL on a different day & ditto for HKG CX CNS one day then CNS CX BNE on another day. The pax would get points for each sector as they booked separately.

An issue I’d think for SIN-OOL-onwards is the turnaround time. Usually pax are made to get off, re-clear security and then get back on, or certainly that’s been the case through BNE/CNS on CX. I’d imagine the hassle of doing that via stairs into OOL, as well as the rather small security point would be an issue. Though I’m not sure if this already happens with JQ Japan services? I’d just assume that things would take a lot longer at OOL because of their infrastructure issue.

Any airline that has a through flight number that stops at an intermediate gateway in Australia requires all transit pax to get off the aircraft & go through security screening before going to the transit area and or airline lounge (if airside) before reboarding their aircraft & continuing on to their final destination where they would then clear customs and immigration.

Examples include: SIN/xDRW/CNS on JQ58, QF8 DFW/xBNE/SYD, QF20 MNL/xBNE/SYD, QF82 DRW/xADL/SYD