Scoot to commence SIN-OOL service from 12 June

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I shake my head that foreign carriers can see the importance in OOL , yet our own national carrier(QF) still doesn't find the necessity to fly at least one route out of the 6th busiest airport in the country. It really is a joke and a missed opportunity.

Not really, all of the traffic ex-OOL is LCC, with the exceptions NZ (marginal) and VA/DJ (who have no international ops except Trans-Tasman).

QF operating on a non-LCC regime would not be sustainable. That is why QF have deployed JQ there instead.

Your point would hold more water if MH and SQ were sending ops to OOL. Instead, SQ had to create and instigate a LCC arm to break into OOL.



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Not really, all of the traffic ex-OOL is LCC, with the exceptions NZ (marginal) and VA/DJ (who have no international ops except Trans-Tasman).

QF operating on a non-LCC regime would not be sustainable. That is why QF have deployed JQ there instead.

Your point would hold more water if MH and SQ were sending ops to OOL. Instead, SQ had to create and instigate a LCC arm to break into OOL.



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Coincidental perhaps, but QF have decided they can no longer justify a daily BNE- SIN service??
 
Coincidental perhaps, but QF have decided they can no longer justify a daily BNE- SIN service??

Yeah can't get that one - but that doesn't matter for this argument.

Dare I say it's all channeling to SYD...



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Not really, all of the traffic ex-OOL is LCC, with the exceptions NZ (marginal) and VA/DJ (who have no international ops except Trans-Tasman).

QF operating on a non-LCC regime would not be sustainable. That is why QF have deployed JQ there instead.

Your point would hold more water if MH and SQ were sending ops to OOL. Instead, SQ had to create and instigate a LCC arm to break into OOL.



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I understand your point at OOL traffic being mostly LCC , but when you have 5 Million plus PAX per year moving through OOL , you will never convince me that you couldn't fill 1 or 2 x 737 as a bare minimum / day to either SYD or MELB or both. I hope VA (Biz / future Lounge) stick it right into QF ex OOL to show what they are missing out on.
 
Any evidence (aside from some spot cancellations) to back this up?

Maybe it's just March but things are looking a little haphazard on the QF timetable, would not be surprised to see more as the week progresses thanks to the ratings downgrade.
 
I understand your point at OOL traffic being mostly LCC , but when you have 5 Million plus PAX per year moving through OOL , you will never convince me that you couldn't fill 1 or 2 x 737 as a bare minimum / day to either SYD or MELB or both. I hope VA (Biz / future Lounge) stick it right into QF ex OOL to show what they are missing out on.

That may be the case, but I was answering your point in light of this thread, viz. international ops.

Otherwise, most international airlines have no intention of supplying domestic Australian ops (notwithstanding legislation and freedoms).

I have little confidence that OOL could support a single QF operated international operation, unless the economy and demographics of the Gold Coast change dramatically. And I'm not entirely convinced that VA have shown us the potential in this regard.

On the other hand, the situation has created a great low cost travel niche in QLD, because BNE probably won't do as well.



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Yep, great move that, not putting in aerobridges. Now 300 people at a time can get caught disembarking into one of OOLs frequent downpours. Good to see OOL Airport Authority was really thinking ahead.:rolleyes: The DFO by the runway is becoming an international hotspot I see.

They'll probably have to start renovating it again soon. Maybe they could put a Duty Free Reject Shop in somewhere.
 
Looks like OOL is the hub for LCC's in Qld.

I wonder where Scoot will fly to next in Aust.
 
Looks like OOL is the hub for LCC's in Qld.

I wonder where Scoot will fly to next in Aust.

They always had SYD in their sights. Of course, there is no LCC hub at SYD. NTL doesn't look like it's stepping up to the plate. Nor CBR....
 
I shake my head that foreign carriers can see the importance in OOL , yet our own national carrier(QF) still doesn't find the necessity to fly at least one route out of the 6th busiest airport in the country. It really is a joke and a missed opportunity.

It's not a matter of if QF will fly out of OOL, but when... no proof that I can present, but they will.
 
Yep, great move that, not putting in aerobridges. Now 300 people at a time can get caught disembarking into one of OOLs frequent downpours. Good to see OOL Airport Authority was really thinking ahead.:rolleyes: The DFO by the runway is becoming an international hotspot I see.

They'll probably have to start renovating it again soon. Maybe they could put a Duty Free Reject Shop in somewhere.

Aerobridges cost >$1 million each, so it comes down to economics, not practicalities... I haven't flown to SE Asia, but I'd bet there are many major airports (with probably greater pax volume than OOL) in the SE Asian equatorial region with even more frequent tropical rain down pours that don't have aerobridges.
 
Looks like OOL is the hub for LCC's in Qld.

I wonder where Scoot will fly to next in Aust.

I'm sure there'll be many in FNQ hoping that CNS is next... and I bet there's plenty of work being done to convince them to do so too. Unfortunately, the outbound market for CNS is not as large as the SE Qld/Northern NSW catchment area for OOL, which helps OOL to build additional business cases in addition to the inbound attractiveness of both regions.
 
Aerobridges cost >$1 million each, so it comes down to economics, not practicalities... I haven't flown to SE Asia, but I'd bet there are many major airports (with probably greater pax volume than OOL) in the SE Asian equatorial region with even more frequent tropical rain down pours that don't have aerobridges.

Hanoi has aerobridges but LCCs such as Jetstar Vietnam (BL) use the standoff bays probably because it's cheaper as there were plenty of unused aerobridges at the time we arrived.

It's not a matter of if QF will fly out of OOL, but when... no proof that I can present, but they will.

Domestically or internationally?
 
It's not a matter of if QF will fly out of OOL, but when... no proof that I can present, but they will.

I agree , domestically they are shooting themselves in the foot . The almighty "Roo" might wake up some day . and IMHO , they never should have got out of OOL in the first place. I don't believe there is any international market for QF ex OOL , leave that to JQ & the others.
 
Looks like OOL is the hub for LCC's in Qld.

I wonder where Scoot will fly to next in Aust.

I’d have thought CNS or TSV with a schedule similar to CX where sometimes they go through FNQ first and sometimes they go through it last would work. So SIN-OOL-CNS-SIN or similar would be a good route for them. Would really hurt JQ with their DRW ops too I imagine.
 
Aerobridges cost >$1 million each, so it comes down to economics, not practicalities... I haven't flown to SE Asia, but I'd bet there are many major airports (with probably greater pax volume than OOL) in the SE Asian equatorial region with even more frequent tropical rain down pours that don't have aerobridges.

HKT has them. And even if you get a standoff bay you still get a bus ride to the terminal. That bus ride btw is pretty much a few meters, you could have walked it faster. Their standoff stairs are also covered. Even 2nd world countries don't expect you to disembark into a monsoon. :rolleyes: If you dont want to fork out for aerobridges maybe provide a covered walkway instead, how hard is it to erect a pergola?
 
In regard to the possible OOL-SYD leg of a possible SIN-OOL-SYD flight, I haven't read anything to suggest that OOL and SYD would be hit in a single fight, it is possible that Scoot could offer 2 separate and direct SIN-OOL and SIN-SYD services. However, I would assume that the OOL-SYD leg would only be able to be flown in conjunction with a corresponding international Scoot flight. The only airlines that offer domestic service from a international terminal are QF and JQ (AO also did before they were JQed), DJ/VA maybe allowed but as far as I am aware they keep their domestic and international service separate. Many other international carriers do fly between 2 or more domestic Australian ports, possibly because this is more economical than flying separate flights from their own home hub. I personally have flown on TG BKK-SYD-MEL and a CX HKG-CNS-BNE flights. These carriers do not offer these domestic legs separately, they can only be flown if they are part of an international flight on the same flight number (and honestly I can not see any benefit from a PAX pov having these domestic stops, even if chasing FFP and Status the domestic leg is ignored because it is one flight number). It was pointed out that QF does offer a SYD-LAX-JFK flight but that can not be booked as a stand alone domestic American flight. It can only be booked in conjunction with a QF flight to LAX. Now I as understand the issue with Jetstar is that they were using foreign crew from there international arms to operate Australian domestic flight on non Australian conditions, which some people have an issue with.

Anyway in regard to Scoot it seems very unlikely that they will offer domestic Australian service even if they do fly SIN-OOL-SYD(-SIN) so they probably wont have to worry about Australian employment conditions.
 
In regard to the possible OOL-SYD leg of a possible SIN-OOL-SYD flight, I haven't read anything to suggest that OOL and SYD would be hit in a single fight, it is possible that Scoot could offer 2 separate and direct SIN-OOL and SIN-SYD services. However, I would assume that the OOL-SYD leg would only be able to be flown in conjunction with a corresponding international Scoot flight. The only airlines that offer domestic service from a international terminal are QF and JQ (AO also did before they were JQed), DJ/VA maybe allowed but as far as I am aware they keep their domestic and international service separate. Many other international carriers do fly between 2 or more domestic Australian ports, possibly because this is more economical than flying separate flights from their own home hub. I personally have flown on TG BKK-SYD-MEL and a CX HKG-CNS-BNE flights. These carriers do not offer these domestic legs separately, they can only be flown if they are part of an international flight on the same flight number (and honestly I can not see any benefit from a PAX pov having these domestic stops, even if chasing FFP and Status the domestic leg is ignored because it is one flight number). It was pointed out that QF does offer a SYD-LAX-JFK flight but that can not be booked as a stand alone domestic American flight. It can only be booked in conjunction with a QF flight to LAX. Now I as understand the issue with Jetstar is that they were using foreign crew from there international arms to operate Australian domestic flight on non Australian conditions, which some people have an issue with.

Anyway in regard to Scoot it seems very unlikely that they will offer domestic Australian service even if they do fly SIN-OOL-SYD(-SIN) so they probably wont have to worry about Australian employment conditions.

Scoot have already announced that they will do OOL & SYD as 2 non stop separate services . i have not seen any information about a SIN-OOL-SYD service & doubt this would ever happen.
 
Scoot have already announced that they will do OOL & SYD as 2 non stop separate services . i have not seen any information about a SIN-OOL-SYD service & doubt this would ever happen.

This is more consistent with what I'm thinking will happen.

I believe Scoot was making big noises about SYD before they were about OOL anyway. Playing a little catch up with AirAsiaX....again.
 
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