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SC earning on 2 flights with the same flight number on the same day!

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JohnK

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There are a few regional flights currently available on QF website with a routing of A-B-C-A. The outbound flight is A-B and inbound flight is B-C-A. My concern is that the flight number for A-B and B-C is the same. The way I understand it there is a failsafe in the QFF software that does not allow the same flight number to be posted to the one membership account in the same day.

I would like to do the A-B-C-A turnaround same day, same aircraft, and was wondering how the SCs for the trip will post. Will I receive the SCs for A-B, B-C and C-A or SCs for A-C and C-A?

Has anyone ever done a similar status run to the QLD mining towns or country NSW? Would be interested to hear your experiences.
 

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You will need to call in (or try the online missing mileage claim, but doesn't work 100% of the time). Similarly if flying the same route more than once in a day, need to call in to get credit.

I thought this had come up before?
 

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I do believe the problem referred to by Kiwi Flyer related to travel on sectors with the same Origin and Destination more than once on the same day. This situation is not the same.

JohnK, you would get credited as per your ticketed segments, i.e. A-B & B-A.
 

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Speaking of which I have another request to call in and confirm I don't have a duplicate booking by mistake. No mistake QF ;)
 

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I had no issued with credit for three consecutive sectors of QF10. All were separate segments on a DONE4 that were originally booked with an overnight stopover between each. I then changed the dates and it became connections as QF10 LHR-SIN, QF10 SIN-MEL and QF10 MEL-SYD.

now technically each departure was a different date due to the direction of travel. But all posted without issue.
 

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serfty said:
JohnK, you would get credited as per your ticketed segments, i.e. A-B & B-A.
That is interesting. I would have thought that it may credit as A-C and C-A as C is the actual turnaround point.

So even if I book on the same day a one-way trip X-A-B and another one-way trip B-C-A-X then I will still only get credited A-B and B-A? The weird thing is that if an overnight stay is involved then A-B, B-C, and C-A will be credited.
 

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JohnK said:
That is interesting. I would have thought that it may credit as A-C and C-A as C is the actual turnaround point.
I am not aware of any programs using an intermediate point not ticketed to base the mileage off (for B-A not B-C-A in your case). Certainly when I have flown NZ NRT-AKL on through flight I only get NRT-AKL mileage even though we actually flew NRT-CHC-AKL on single flight number, and there are other examples on other routes.
 

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It all related to how your trip is ticketed.

If (as per your example) you have two segment ticketed as A-B and B-A, even if B-A actually has a stopover at C you will get credit as I described.
QFF T&C said:
9.3 Earning Points for Air Travel

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9.3.3 Points for travel on Eligible Flights are calculated on the distance between the origin and destination according to the Great Circle distance - the shortest route between two points on the surface of the globe - not the actual distance flown. On multiple-stop through flights (connecting flights which do not involve a change of flight number and which do not involve a Stopover), Members will earn Points for the non-stop distance travelled between origin and destination. On connecting flights which involve a change of flight number or a Stopover regardless of whether there is a change of flight number, Points are earned for each Flight Segment.
If you were ticketed A-B and B-xC-A then the credit would be for A-B, B-C and C-A. Of course there would be additional +++ for this.
 

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serfty said:
It all related to how your trip is ticketed.

If (as per your example) you have two segment ticketed as A-B and B-A, even if B-A actually has a stopover at C you will get credit as I described.If you were ticketed A-B and B-xC-A then the credit would be for A-B, B-C and C-A. Of course there would be additional +++ for this.
According to the terms you posted, if you are ticketed A-B-C on a single connecting flight number, you should get the credit as A-C

T&Cs said:
On multiple-stop through flights (connecting flights which do not involve a change of flight number and which do not involve a Stopover), Members will earn Points for the non-stop distance travelled between origin and destination
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serfty said:
It all related to how your trip is ticketed.

If (as per your example) you have two segment ticketed as A-B and B-A, even if B-A actually has a stopover at C you will get credit as I described.If you were ticketed A-B and B-xC-A then the credit would be for A-B, B-C and C-A. Of course there would be additional +++ for this.
I don't think I have explained myself properly and it is quite obvious that this may not be the SC opportunity as I first thought.

As mentioned previously it will be ticketed as 2 one-way trips.
  • outbound trip A-B with flight # XY1001
  • inbound trip B-C-A with B-C flight # XY1001 and C-A flight # XY1002
You can purchase A-B, A-C, B-C-A (with 2 seperate flight numbers) and C-A but not B-C.

So I think worst case scenario should credit as A-C and C-A and best case scenario, with very good $/SC, should credit as A-B, B-C and C-A.
 

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JohnK said:
I don't think I have explained myself properly and it is quite obvious that this may not be the SC opportunity as I first thought.

As mentioned previously it will be ticketed as 2 one-way trips.
  • outbound trip A-B with flight # XY1001
  • inbound trip B-C-A with B-C flight # XY1001 and C-A flight # XY1002
You can purchase A-B, A-C, B-C-A (with 2 seperate flight numbers) and C-A but not B-C.

So I think worst case scenario should credit as A-C and C-A and best case scenario, with very good $/SC, should credit as A-B, B-C and C-A.
Assuming this is QF2404 BNE-BLT as the "outbound", and QF2404 BLT-EMD + QF2409 EMD-BNE, without a "stopover" at BLT, then you are correct.

According to QF FF program definitions, that should post as BNE-EMD and EMD-BNE. However, it is quite possible that the login in the QF FF program computer system will not pick it up as such and it could post as three separate sectors. But if it posts as two, then you have no basis to claim the extra sector per the terms and conditions.
 

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OK, and old thread, but I didn't want to start a new one.

NM said:
I had no issued with credit for three consecutive sectors of QF10. All were separate segments on a DONE4 that were originally booked with an overnight stopover between each. I then changed the dates and it became connections as QF10 LHR-SIN, QF10 SIN-MEL and QF10 MEL-SYD.
I was originally booked QF 319 SYD - SIN and QF 9 SIN - LHR, but am now leaving from MEL, and there was no available seats in my class MEL-LHR, but there was MEL-SIN, and beacuse I already had SIN-LHR I was fine. SO my booking now has seperate flights on same day MEL-SIN QF9 and SIN-LHR QF9 with different seat allocation. Do you think these will post as seperate flights with seperate SC and point earn or as entire trip?
 

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Two segments - MEL-SIN & SIN-LHR.

Given different seating it is almost certain.
 

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serfty said:
Two segments - MEL-SIN & SIN-LHR.

Given different seating it is almost certain.
Well thats good news for the start of the weekend:D
 

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Reggie said:
SO my booking now has seperate flights on same day MEL-SIN QF9 and SIN-LHR QF9 with different seat allocation. Do you think these will post as seperate flights with seperate SC and point earn or as entire trip?
I think you will get credit for the 2 flights.

My original question was answered on FT recently by someone who did SYD-NAA-SYD return in the same day. The NAA-SYD flight is actually NAA-MRZ-SYD and the flight numbers for SYD-NAA and NAA-MRZ are the same. I am doing the same flight in 2 weeks time but I have split it over 2 days.
 

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Even with the same seat I have travelled LHR-SIN-MEL and because each segment was a (at that time) separate coupon on the ticket it credited as two separate segments and hence more SCs :mrgreen:
 

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JohnK, wouldn't it have been simpler to just nominate what the 3 flight cities are, so that somebody who has taken them might be able to shed actual experience??? (Particularly considering your concurrent post, it's probably one of those flights!). I gave up reading a third of the way down Page 1, I was so exasperated....:rolleyes:
 

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Lindsay Wilson said:
JohnK, wouldn't it have been simpler to just nominate what the 3 flight cities are, so that somebody who has taken them might be able to shed actual experience???
My original question was 7 months ago and if anyone had taken any of those routes they would have been able to answer the cryptic question. Sure it may have been simpler but I know of 4 routes that QF operates this way so I thought a simple A-B-C-A would be better.

For what it is worth the routes are SYD-NAA-MRZ-NAA, BNE-GLT-EMD-BNE, BNE-BCI-LRE-BNE, BNE-BKQ-LRE-BNE.
 

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Some people aren't into cryptic questions, so you risk losing their interest.

Just to show that it pays to nominate them, I have flown BNE-BCI-LRE-BNE...but it was pre SC days so I'm no help with the outcome.

How about ringing QFF??
 

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This question was answered, indirectly, recently on FT as double FF points are being offered for SYD-NAA and MRZ-SYD flights up until the end of October. It is possible to earn SCs FF points on the short NAA-MRZ sector even though it is the same flight number as the preceding SYD-NAA flight.
 
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