QF Economy Urination Policy

[harvyk]

I personally believe there should be some common sense applied.

I usually travel in Y dom, and usually on 737's. Now it's normally not an issue as oftan the flights aren't long enough to require a trip to the loo. That said, I have seen FA's allow many a Y pax go to the front lav if the back ones are in use, or if the carts are in the way.

The times I have flown in J dom (not oftan, I don't see the point for an hours flight) I haven't minded when Y pax walk past.

Now that said, if I had paid for J, and I had a stream of Y pax walking past and being generally disrespectful (I'm mainly looking at those parents with little monsters who don't keep them under control) I would object. Then again even in Y I would raise an objection.

 

[kpc]

Thee will NEVER be agreement on this isssue
There was a simialar thread on this same issue on FT a couple years back with similar vocal opposing views!
I get very annoyed at Y passengers using Business class toilets and overhead bins - FlyerTalk Forums

 

[haydensydney]

Some very valid points on this thread, although I stick with my strict class based urination policy

My pet hate however is sitting in J, eating a meal, and someone comes up from Y and needs to wait to use the bathroom. They loiter and watch you eat - usually accompanied by a certain yearning or longing look one would expect to see on a puppy at a dinner table. "Should I offer my left overs or don't I?" I ponder. This level of eyeing up just gives me the creeps...

So - its not just about the "toilet" per-se, it's the intrusion that comes with the Y guest visiting the J cabin that annoys me most.

Oh - the riff-raff tag was in no way meant to be inflammatory. Maybe "the great unwashed" may have been more suitable?

 

[Anna]

My $0.02 worth.

I have no issue with Y passengers using the J toilet.

I'm not happy about Y passengers cluttering up the J cabin queuing for the J toilet. Wait in your seat until the sign shows the toilet is free. If a J passenger beats you to it, too bad.

 

[Flashback]

My $0.02 worth.

I have no issue with Y passengers using the J toilet.

I'm not happy about Y passengers cluttering up the J cabin queuing for the J toilet. Wait in your seat until the sign shows the toilet is free. If a J passenger beats you to it, too bad.

The times I have experienced whY passengers using the J toilet, that is how it has been; they've never allowed them to queue in the J area.

 

[Homer]

The times I have experienced whY passengers using the J toilet, that is how it has been; they've never allowed them to queue in the J area.

Yeah well I almost always fly J and it happens more than you think. Any regular J traveller will likely attest to this. The thing is that an airline like QF needs to have rules about J toilets being for J pax, etc. They can't build in exceptions such as "the first four rows of Y can do it" or "if someone has had too much coffee then let them do it", etc. That's not a system. Of course hopefully they have a culture whereby employees are empowered to show some common sense and flexibility from time to time. Perhaps that is why it has been allowed or, rather, overlooked up until now?

 

[notzac]

My $0.02 worth.

I have no issue with Y passengers using the J toilet.

I'm not happy about Y passengers cluttering up the J cabin queuing for the J toilet. Wait in your seat until the sign shows the toilet is free. If a J passenger beats you to it, too bad.

Worth at least $0.05 well put!

 

[serfty]

Worth at least $0.05 well put!

Maybe 2p ...

 

[samh004]

My $0.02 worth.

I have no issue with Y passengers using the J toilet.

I'm not happy about Y passengers cluttering up the J cabin queuing for the J toilet. Wait in your seat until the sign shows the toilet is free. If a J passenger beats you to it, too bad.

The times I have experienced whY passengers using the J toilet, that is how it has been; they've never allowed them to queue in the J area.

That is my view too.

I wonder what they'd do if the J toilet was free, the Y toilet had a queue and a cart in the aisle and you couldn't hold on any longer. Would they be upset if you wet yourself and the seat?

Possibly rhetorical.

Either way, I don't often head for the J loo, really only if I can't get to the Y loo instead. I know my place.

 

[anat0l]

Here we go again (and I will refrain from using puns as much as possible, even though it is clear sometimes to create some relief in a tense thread you need some humour, otherwise everyone reading just sits there all p*ssed off. Oh wait..... :shock

This topic has been discussed ad nauseum.

My experience? Since obtaining PS and now pretty much regularly with WP I often sit near the front of Y. Admittedly I haven't been pulled up on it once, but I will confess here that I do go and use the J toilet at the front. As with most here, I do abide by the etiquette of waiting until the facilities are unoccupied before leaving my seat and dashing for the front, i.e. I don't queue at the front and I certainly don't sit there eyeing the snobs in J and esp. not puppy-dog style as described by haydensydney :mrgreen:.

At one time I had an exit row on a 738 and I still went up to use the J toilet. Probably bad form on my part, although I guess that was only because the cart was between my row and the back, I was a fatter person then and there were already people using the rear conveniences anyway.

So I guess I break the whole "J toilets for J pax; Y toilets for Y pax" rule; FWIW if I was so directed not to use the J toilets by a FA due to my being a Y pax then I wouldn't argue and thereafter proceed to the back.

I've brought up this issue with an FA before and they have said that they don't mind what happens so as long as there isn't a build up of pax at the front of the cabin. He did admit it was "policy" but it's difficult to enforce (both on logistical and moral grounds).

In saying that, J pax are entitled to a level of privacy and exclusivity but this is plentifully difficult to justify with respect to the use of toilets when the flight is short and/or the flight is operated by a 734.

Surely if the OP is concerned about widdling himself, he would use the toilet before he gets on the plane

Because some people aren't that smart. Period (not an offensive pun intended for the ladies reading this thread).

Yes when you were in primary school the teachers always said make sure you use the toilet in the breaks so you wouldn't need to excuse yourself during lesson time. But people are pressed for time and they're not in a mood to care anyway. As far as they are concerned, they know there are three toilets on board. What's the big deal in saying I can't use one of them? I don't care about those J pax, or how about I ask each one of them permission to use their toilet before I do so? And so on.


I think in the end "common sense must prevail"; unfortunately, that's an ill-defined and oft over- and mis-used phrase. It's like trying to define "reasonable", and "ethics".

 

[Alanslegal]

Its simple, in 99.9% of times a passenger should only be allowed to use the toilets that are for their particular class of travel regardless of length of flight, time, day, or type of plane.

However that 0.1% of times, when that unlucky passenger has some brownies almost poking against their underwear, then I'd say by all means, let them use whatever toilet is free :shock: :!:

 

[Ric]

When I am flying whY, I never use the J or for that matter, F, toilets. On the other hand. I have, on 1 or 2 occasions, use the Y toilets when flying J.:shock:

But I do resent being tagged as a "riff raff" when I fly whY!! And I am glad the OP have clarified his meaning.

Ric

 

[Flashback]

Its simple, in 99.9% of times a passenger should only be allowed to use the toilets that are for their particular class of travel regardless of length of flight, time, day, or type of plane.

However that 0.1% of times, when that unlucky passenger has some brownies almost poking against their underwear, then I'd say by all means, let them use whatever toilet is free :shock: :!:

I LL'd:!:

 

[samh004]

Its simple, in 99.9% of times a passenger should only be allowed to use the toilets that are for their particular class of travel regardless of length of flight, time, day, or type of plane.

However that 0.1% of times, when that unlucky passenger has some brownies almost poking against their underwear, then I'd say by all means, let them use whatever toilet is free :shock: :!:

You mean a turtle head poking out?

 

[Keith009]

Its simple, in 99.9% of times a passenger should only be allowed to use the toilets that are for their particular class of travel regardless of length of flight, time, day, or type of plane.

However that 0.1% of times, when that unlucky passenger has some brownies almost poking against their underwear, then I'd say by all means, let them use whatever toilet is free :shock: :!:

Totally agree!

People really should stick to the toilet located in the cabin for which they'd paid to travel in under normal circumstances. However I can see that certain 'emergencies' as eloquently described above which necessiate the use of the nearest available toilet may arise.

It's the same as lounge access. Status aside, whY pax aren't allowed to enter any lounge, JCL pax are allowed J lounge access but not F, FCL pax are allowed to enter both F and J lounges. Analogously, along with the payment of a premium fare is the right to enjoy a better pax:toilet ratio and access to toilet facilities amongst other benefits. Just because there isn't a physical separation of the cabins on domestic flights doesn't mean the entire plane is a free-for-all.

 

[Actualise]

For clarity the OP neither was busting to go - be it #1's or #2's, pissed off, brownied off or inclined to make a fuss on board. If I was in the first 10 or so rows I would go to the front if I needed to, but the major factor would be practicality - trolleys, FAs and other people in the aisle, whether the lights were on, etc.

I frequently do earlybird flights and need a heart-starter to be able to function (diuretic but for cerebral function ;-). I generally prefer to use the amenities in the lounge but sometimes am found running to the flight and so it is uncomfortable to last the distance. In the newer 738's front or back toilets are pretty much the same - cleanliness or otherwise, in my experience. Not since the Continental Cross-Pacific flights have I been inflicted with objectionable facilities.

If you're a business pax and you see me walking back from the John smiling it is only because without direction I am defaulting to the position that the 3 facilities on 737s are for the enjoyment of all, when they feel the urge ;-) No smugness at all. And I promise not to queue in the business aisle.

 

[Keith009]

For clarity the OP neither was busting to go - be it #1's or #2's, pissed off, brownied off or inclined to make a fuss on board. If I was in the first 10 or so rows I would go to the front if I needed to, but the major factor would be practicality - trolleys, FAs and other people in the aisle, whether the lights were on, etc.

I frequently do earlybird flights and need a heart-starter to be able to function (diuretic but for cerebral function ;-). I generally prefer to use the amenities in the lounge but sometimes am found running to the flight and so it is uncomfortable to last the distance. In the newer 738's front or back toilets are pretty much the same - cleanliness or otherwise, in my experience. Not since the Continental Cross-Pacific flights have I been inflicted with objectionable facilities.

If you're a business pax and you see me walking back from the John smiling it is only because without direction I am defaulting to the position that the 3 facilities on 737s are for the enjoyment of all, when they feel the urge ;-) No smugness at all. And I promise not to queue in the business aisle.

So is your next complaint to Qantas going to be about why pax in the first 10 or so rows in Economy should be served the same food and drink as Business class pax? After all, why should the Business Class trolley stop at an imaginary line when they could easily throw out the same food to a few more pax? Why such an unfair and discriminatory policy hey?

 

[Actualise]

So is your next complaint to Qantas going to be about why pax in the first 10 or so rows in Economy should be served the same food and drink as Business class pax? After all, why should the Business Class trolley stop at an imaginary line when they could easily throw out the same food to a few more pax?

No.

There's no new policy there. That makes sense to me. The impracticalities on 737s of the separate toilets policy however seems senseless to me. I see what goes on and with few exceptions have not seen anything likely to seriously bother anyone. And if everyone waits for the light to go off, the business pax have the advantage anyways so will always get pissed first... I mean get to piss first... you know what I mean!

 

[klavdy]

I only think the front loo should be reserved for J passengers when I am flying J. When I am not flying J I think it should be open slather.

That's the spirit.
Nicer amenities in the front loos too.

 

[tuapekastar]

I think it all could be resolved with the introduction of the ISP (In-Seat-Potty).

Imagine a plumbed toilet built in below each seat!

A retractable 'modesty screen' could be built into the armrest. This could eliminate all that bothersome clambering over each other mid-flight to go the toilet.

You could even continue your conversation with your seat mate, or eatiing your meal shock whilst going about your business.

The airlines could remove the toilets and install more seats (ok, they may have to leave one lav for the crew).

Do I win a prize? :shock: