QF complain about competition but forget about customer

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I would dispute this, one of the best feed back methods, these days, is independent consumer feedback websites, like this one.

The biggest example that I can give you is TripAdvisor, where feedback has become so powerful, that some hotels are forced to tackle it at an industry-wide level.

Sometimes the best way, to not just be heard (and then ignored), but force immediate action from a supplier, is via high ranking forums on the Internet: Some airlines realise that, e.g. look at Virgin on here, or even Air NZ on Flyertalk (where a number of participants, including posters from on here, have helped guide senior management directly & personally, with changing their Tasman product).
.... and I would dispute you conclusion when we are talking about Qantas. (though I wish I could agree)

I agree entirely that Virgin Blue are responsive and reactive to these type forums but Qantas is still very much big business old school. They have their feedback paths and that they collect data from and that is where MOST of their efforts would be focused toward. Forums such as this are a bit like a mosquito that buzzes around the edge and is a damn nuisance.

This can be seen by the amount of response received from the Virgin reps versus the Qantas reps.
 
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.... and I would dispute you conclusion when we are talking about Qantas. (though I wish I could agree)

I agree entirely that Virgin Blue are responsive and reactive to these type forums but Qantas is still very much big business old school. They have their feedback paths and that they collect data from and that is where MOST of their efforts would be focused toward. Forums such as this are a bit like a mosquito that buzzes around the edge and is a damn nuisance.

We actually monitor forums quite closely and there is regular scheduled internal reporting on key online issues of note. The contributions here and FT have contributed to some changes, both in the Customer Experience and Qantas Frequent Flyer spheres. Whilst Red Roo may not comment on all issues, you would probably be surprised at how forum comment is discussed and debated internally.

Forums provide us with quick feedback, discussion and debate on a plethora of issues across the business. As a "high involvement" (to use marketing speak) business to consumer product, which attracts many enthusiasts, airlines attract significant amounts of ongoing discussion (sites like AFF are testament to this), which many other industries do not attract. The effort that some put into trip reports on various airline forums is truly impressive.

In short, we have a number of formal and informal customer feedback channels available to us. Each channel has advantages and disadvantages and covers different areas of the market; overall they all have a role to play.
 
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We actually monitor forums quite closely and there is regular scheduled internal reporting on key online issues of note. The contributions here and FT have contributed to some changes, both in the Customer Experience and Qantas Frequent Flyer spheres. Whilst Red Roo may not comment on all issues, you would probably be surp

I think Red Roo's manager interrupted the roo before anything got said:)

Red Roo helped out in sorting out the JQ posting times :)
 
We actually monitor forums quite closely and there is regular scheduled internal reporting on key online issues of note. The contributions here and FT have contributed to some changes, both in the Customer Experience and Qantas Frequent Flyer spheres. Whilst Red Roo may not comment on all issues, you would probably be surp

Ok, Red Roo here is your chance.

Tell us why QF no longer had a midday service from London and all planes now leave within a couple of hours of each other at 21.00 - 23.00 hours.
 
Ok, Red Roo here is your chance.

Tell us why QF no longer had a midday service from London and all planes now leave within a couple of hours of each other at 21.00 - 23.00 hours.

(a) The answer is obvious
(b) You're not going to like it anyway
(c) You've lost all respect for Qantas and certainly had none for Red Roo anyway (both as an employee of QF and as a human being)

Conclusion: You're wasting your time. You've found a solution and the rest is history.
 
Not sure how much they actually do about it, but at least complaining online about Starwood Hotels gets you what you want.

That's a little bit too glib.

Sure, some companies have been very responsive to the channels which we often vent and comment through, but I think it's far too sweeping to make such a comment (i.e. just complain and you'll get what you want).

It behooves me to think that there exists customers out there now who are far less emotionally and morally resilient and simply rely on complaining, slander and litigation in order to get what they want, perhaps on very unreasonable terms.
 
We actually monitor forums quite closely and there is regular scheduled internal reporting on key online issues of note. The contributions here and FT have contributed to some changes, both in the Customer Experience and Qantas Frequent Flyer spheres. Whilst Red Roo may not comment on all issues, you would probably be surp

Would you kindly inform members on AFF of the positive changes that have occured from being on here and Flyertalk, please?
 
(a) The answer is obvious
(b) You're not going to like it anyway
(c) You've lost all respect for Qantas and certainly had none for Red Roo anyway (both as an employee of QF and as a human being)

Conclusion: You're wasting your time. You've found a solution and the rest is history.

Obviously you don't like people voicing opinions or asking questions.
Crack a smile.............
 
We actually monitor forums quite closely and there is regular scheduled internal reporting on key online issues of note. The contributions here and FT have contributed to some changes, both in the Customer Experience and Qantas Frequent Flyer spheres. Whilst Red Roo may not comment on all issues, you would probably be surp
You allow me to segue into a good issue here - which is closing the feedback loop.

As someone who has to preach & teach people about the virtues of social media, one of my core teachings is that customers value business who close the feedback loop.

Even if the company might not be able to do something about it, the fact the business has responded and at said they have heard your concerns is quite comforting. It also demonstrates a level of honesty and care which adds value to how the customer sees the business.

As we frequent flyers should know, some companies have taken closing the feedback loop to new extremes - by intergrating feedback response with line of business activities. We have the earlier example by pshepvic, how a tweet to Starwood saw an issue resolved promptly.

I also know of others in the hotel industry such as Marriott, where an acquaintance of mine was staying at Marriott on the Park Sydney where he had an reasonable issue with his room. There didn't seem to be much impetus to fix this problem by lobby staff, and a polite tweet quickly put paid to these problems.

Back to airlines, we have the work that Delta has been doing to bring value to pax through social media, explained in reasonable detail by Cranky Flyer in his article of September last year (Note: He was a guest of Delta touring their operations at the time when it was written). When asked how they were measuring the effectiveness and success of their social media response, they said:
  1. Fewer complaints
  2. Fewer calls into the reservations center
Allison Ausband, VP of Reservations for Delta that the response has been phenomenal.

The group tells customers that “someone’s listening in cyberspace and there’s a human behind it.” In other words, it gives a human face to a generally impersonal process.
Getting back to the point - I would profer that QF has significant opportunities through fora such as these and social media channels to improve customer perception and happiness - all by providing prompt, official feedback and responses.

Now I don't know what corporate politics and issues Red Roo has to deal with in their posting here let alone issues of X-in-confidence, but it would be great if they could pass that information back to us in some form which doesn't give things away to their competition.

And having said that, this forum is ripe for them to 'start the conversation'. Sure, QF has access to their existing formal and informal feedback channels, but why not ask the questions they're wanting to ask their customers here. After all, this is an active community and there's nothing stopping QF and Red Roo starting a thread asking 'your thoughts about X'.

They could easily posting their relevant announcments in the news threads on improvments/changes (and beating our members to the punch), of course not before any media embargos have expired. A simple content posting, that takes no more than 5min work, but shows that the airline is trying to keep its loyal customers as informed as possible about what's happening.

Anyway, that's my thoughts on the topic over and done with. I don't know if Red Roo will be permitted to chime in on some of these thoughts of closing the feedback loop with us, but I know they'll at least be reading it and hopefully thinking about how they could impliment some of these simple, no cost solutions to improve customer perception.
 
(a) The answer is obvious
Really.I haven't seen one.
(b) You're not going to like it anyway
Probably
(c) You've lost all respect for Qantas and certainly had none for Red Roo anyway (both as an employee of QF and as a human being)
Now just where do you get that from-not from any of the OP's posts I have just searched.

Conclusion: You're wasting your time. You've found a solution and the rest is history.

That's a little bit too glib.

Sure, some companies have been very responsive to the channels which we often vent and comment through, but I think it's far too sweeping to make such a comment (i.e. just complain and you'll get what you want).
I didn't read it in the totally negative way you have.In fact i posted a review of an SPG hotel on TA which told of problems I had and how it was resolved to everyone's satisfaction.Within half an hour of it posting i had an email from the GM thanking me and explaining the changes made in processes so that the problem wouldn't happen again.I will certainly stay at that property again.Certainly wasn't a complain so i get compo situation.

It behooves me to think that there exists customers out there now who are far less emotionally and morally resilient and simply rely on complaining, slander and litigation in order to get what they want, perhaps on very unreasonable terms.
Mate,time to go and have a good drink and lighten up.
 
Would you kindly inform members on AFF of the positive changes that have occured from being on here and Flyertalk, please?

Since I started whinging about priority boarding for WP it has actually started to happen in Sydney. Adelaide is still a mess. After I (and others) mentioned the DJ system and how much better it is that the initial attempts by QF, the QF process changed.

Not sure if that is positive but it is a change that happened shortly (less than 2 months) after being mentioned a few times on AFF.
 
We actually monitor forums quite closely and there is regular scheduled internal reporting on key online issues of note. The contributions here and FT have contributed to some changes, both in the Customer Experience and Qantas Frequent Flyer spheres. Whilst Red Roo may not comment on all issues, you would probably be surp
Red Roo,

I am more than happy to be proven wrong in these matters. As someone who has worked for big business (much bigger than Qantas) I have become very cynical about how it all works on occasions. :cool:
 
That's a little bit too glib.

Sure, some companies have been very responsive to the channels which we often vent and comment through, but I think it's far too sweeping to make such a comment (i.e. just complain and you'll get what you want).

It behooves me to think that there exists customers out there now who are far less emotionally and morally resilient and simply rely on complaining, slander and litigation in order to get what they want, perhaps on very unreasonable terms.

I don't think it is unreasonable to think that $60 for valet parking I ludicrous. And so yes I will complain to get what I want - that reduced to a reasonable amount. Considering other channels don't get the appropriate result (hotel reception) then I'll use a different means.

But I also don't appreciate you grouping complaining in with slander and litigation - clearly there is a huge difference. My complaint was on reasonable terms. Comments that people are "emotionally and morally resilient and simply rely on complaining...etc" are just ridiculous. Do you propose that we all walk around and accept bad service and not get what we pay for, just saying "oh well, that's life"? You're welcome to if you want to, but I'm not going to. I'll do what I need to, in order to get what I've paid for and what is reasonable - ie. What I want.
 
IMHO it is time for a few people to go away and take a few deep breaths before they post on this topic again. :(
 
Would you kindly inform members on AFF of the positive changes that have occured from being on here and Flyertalk, please?

The decision to reinstate arrivals access for WPs in QF domestic lounges.

Possibly also the A330 2-3-2 back to 2-2-2 configuration.

And that's just in the past few weeks.
 
The strange thing is that Redroo says customers would be surprised at what feedback they do take on board and the changes made... strange that they wouldn't want to communicate these good news stories... unfortunately yes it sounds like the long time loyal customers would be surprised at the moment because rightly or wrongly they feel they are being totally ignored... so at the moment people feel doubly slighted that a) they feel things are deteriorating at QF and then b) they complain/give feedback and are ignored...

With just a slight amount of further effort it could be turned into a double positive in that yes QF are fixing some potentially annoying things and what's more they have customer feedback from their valuable members to thank for that and they appreciate the effort made to provide feedback...

You would go from long time members feeling slighted and disillusioned to feeling valued and appreciated and willing to further engage... funny how just finishing the loop would provide such a better outcome for them...

And Redroo, I've only been a member for a month or two but i have seen many more posts from official VB reps than from Qantas... why don't you tell your bosses that at least on this forum (and probably elsewhere as well) that VB's customer responsiveness (at probably minimal investment of resources) is threatening to eat Qantas's lunch for them while its distracted looking elsewhere presumably...
 
The reality is that we won't really know Alan Joyce's legacy until many years from now.

Not specifically disagreeing with comments in this (and other threads) that ruminate on the legacy of the AJ years.

Whilst any good CEO should put forward and ultimately implement an agreed strategy, there is (in larger/listed organisations) a Board who make the CEO appointment, and who remain complicit in the decision-making process- 'they' are ultimately responsible for the success or failure of an entity.

Human nature focusses us on the public face of an organisation (whilst ignoring the faceless).

Finally, some CEO's just do as they're told (or what they think will keep their personal gravy train on the tracks) and fail to provide a long-term vision to their Board- after all, remuneration (in the main) continues to be based on short term incentive plans, and they aren't in it for the long haul, unlike the consumer.
 
The decision to reinstate arrivals access for WPs in QF domestic lounges.

Possibly also the A330 2-3-2 back to 2-2-2 configuration.

And that's just in the past few weeks.

If I steal your wallet, then give you $50 back - is that a positive?

I havn't seen much talk about A330 2-3-2 on here or any other forum so my guess is it was genuine mass of complaints.
 
I think Red Roo's manager interrupted the roo before anything got said:)

Sorry folks, looks like we had a connection issue and the rest of the post dropped off - looked fine here at the time. Looks like it's fixed now!
 
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Ok, Red Roo here is your chance.

Tell us why QF no longer had a midday service from London and all planes now leave within a couple of hours of each other at 21.00 - 23.00 hours.

A few have mentioned improved connectivity in previous posts, which improves significantly with an evening departure ex Europe and a morning arrival into Australia. Southbound, it provides additional options via HKG for SYD/BNE/PER.

FWIW, all other airlines (i.e. BA and VS) with same aircraft services to Australia depart LHR in the evening.

We are still maintaining a midday departure ex LHR, which is the QF32 (LHR-SIN Dep 1205 Arr 0805+1, SIN-SYD Dep 0940+1 Arr 1920+1 (Northern Summer timing).
 
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