Qantas Project Sunrise goes ahead, 12 new A350-1000s ordered

[elanshin]

Just curious, we know MEL is left off the slides but has anyone looked into if MEL-LHR is even possible anymore without further payload restrictions?

Iirc the rumours were that SYD-LHR is already extremely touch and go (and that there might be payload restrictions at times).

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Yeh, OK you've got me. Yes, 'm being somewhat selective, I could only find 14 AA arrivals before 9am , and another 5 between 9 and 10., and probably a few more AS flights to boot. And not every ticket is issued with AA connectors. I've travelled a plenty on mix and match interlines bookings such as SQ/AA, QF/UA .

Exactly… QF sells connections on United as you point out. UA has plenty flight arriving early in the morning into LAX, SFO etc, and other options for connecting with evening flights.

Just curious, we know MEL is left off the slides but has anyone looked into if MEL-LHR is even possible anymore without further payload restrictions?

Iirc the rumours were that SYD-LHR is already extremely touch and go (and that there might be payload restrictions at times).

I mean we’re only talking three hours longer in the air than current 787 non stops. If PS can’t do that without restriction, what was the whole point?

 

[RooFlyer]

From the configuration and pricing of PER-LHR QF are already extracting a 20% improvement in margin and the recent statement from the CEO Intimated she wanted to match that, not add an additional 20% on top of that.

So, a 20% margin on top of current QF Syd-Sin-LHR pricing? Genuine question - We've heard 'no premium' before in this thread, and then '20%' but I'm unsure of what people mean by 20% margin.

 

[SYD]

So, a 20% margin on top of current QF Syd-Sin-LHR pricing? Genuine question - We've heard 'no premium' before in this thread, and then '20%' but I'm unsure of what people mean by 20% margin.

Pretty consistent comments suggesting a “premium” and the latest from QF was circa 20% on say QF1/2. Not sure re QF3/4 which already has a slight premium over NYC via DFW. Guess we’ll see in due course.

 

[AuSammy]

Pretty consistent comments suggesting a “premium” and the latest from QF was circa 20% on say QF1/2. Not sure re QF3/4 which already has a slight premium over NYC via DFW. Guess we’ll see in due course.

They expect a 20% increase in profitability not 20% increase in fares. There was a video on AFF somewhere recently where it was explained. It does not mean a 20% rise in prices at all. Reduced seats for same demand mean higher occupancy. More F and J means more revenue per seat km. They will sell a lot of discount Y for similar to current pricing but bump up the penalty for last minute bookings/ higher fare buckets. Several tweaks that improve profitability but not just a blanket increase in prices.

The planes are also less fuel hungry than the A380s and other older frames.

They save on airport and handling taxes on transits. They use a lot of fuel taking off and landing.

They are already making 20% additional margin on the PER flights but the prices are pretty similar.

 

[RooFlyer]

They expect a 20% increase in profitability not 20% increase in fares. There was a video on AFF somewhere recently where it was explained. It does not mean a 20% rise in prices at all. Reduced seats for same demand mean higher occupancy. More F and J means more revenue per seat km. They will sell a lot of discount Y for similar to current pricing but bump up the penalty for last minute bookings/ higher fare buckets. Several tweaks that improve profitability but not just a blanket increase in prices.

Well, we shall see. I don't see why this much-trumpeted, unique service, avoiding all the pitfalls you've mentioned, attracting corporate spend, shouldn't have a decent premium on it, over current SYD-SIN-LHR.

 

[SYD]

They expect a 20% increase in profitability not 20% increase in fares. There was a video on AFF somewhere recently where it was explained. It does not mean a 20% rise in prices at all. Reduced seats for same demand mean higher occupancy. More F and J means more revenue per seat km. They will sell a lot of discount Y for similar to current pricing but bump up the penalty for last minute bookings/ higher fare buckets. Several tweaks that improve profitability but not just a blanket increase in prices.

The planes are also less fuel hungry than the A380s and other older frames.

They save on airport and handling taxes on transits. They use a lot of fuel taking off and landing.

They are already making 20% additional margin on the PER flights but the prices are pretty similar.

Do you have a reference / source for that? 20% increase in profit is “Magic pudding” territory if no price increase.

There was a link posted - which I can’t find now - but it was QF reiterating that there’d be a ~20% premium on price BUT that they were already applying that to PER-LHR and SYD-AKL-JFK.