Qantas Project Sunrise goes ahead, 12 new A350-1000s ordered

[Sabot]

What do you think about the possibility of WSI offering “cheaper” fees and charges to encourage business, say for 3 to 5

I was actually thinking more about possible new services. As in: hey Qantas, if you want to start up that possibly marginal new service, Sydney to xx_ - we have a deal for you so you can give it a try.

But I guess that then comes up against the old lack of aircraft problem.

And the lack of people wanting to transit into the middle of nowhere to fly out of WSI.

 

[RooFlyer]

And the lack of people wanting to transit into the middle of nowhere to fly out of WSI.

By transit, I guess you mean travel to the airport?

Covered about 10 times upthread. WSI is not in the middle of nowhere for millions of people. Population catchment almost twice that of South Australia.

 

[Sabot]

By transit, I guess you mean travel to the airport?

Covered about 10 times upthread. WSI is not in the middle of nowhere for millions of people. Population catchment almost twice that of South Australia.

That's correct yes.

Mate, I had to zoom out on the map 3 times to see if it was actually even in Sydney.

 

[moa999]

Think the lack of transit options will mean the majority of international flights remain at SYD until WSI grows into itself and expands.

Some international back of clock operations probably the initial exception (eg SQ to SIN and QF/JQ to AKL, maybe with time EK with a midnight departure) with perhaps a smattering of narrowbody services to NZ and Bali.

Will be interesting to see how routes develop.

 

[dajop]

Covered about 10 times upthread. WSI is not in the middle of nowhere for millions of people. Population catchment almost twice that of South Australia.

Ummm perhaps not in this thread, which has gone way off on a tangent on WSI, which of course has its own thread where it is covered about 10 times.

 

[dajop]

Some international back of clock operations probably the initial exception (eg SQ to SIN and QF/JQ to AKL, maybe with time EK with a midnight departure) with perhaps a smattering of narrowbody services to NZ and Bali.

So to bring this thread back on topic, you don't think we'll see project sunrise flights from WSI-LTN any time soon?

 

[RooFlyer]

Ummm perhaps not in this thread, which has gone way off on a tangent on WSI, which of course has its own thread where it is covered about 10 times.

Ooops, my bad. I thought we had teleported to the WSI thread

 

[moa999]

So to bring this thread back on topic, you don't think we'll see project sunrise flights from WSI-LTN any time soon?

2045 with the Airmac AC350-1200neo produced in Wuxi

 

[elanshin]

Back on the sunrise planes. I think the biggest question is if MEL - LHR will eventuate. Although i suspect we won't see any decisions until SYD-LHR and SYD-JFK is well established.

 

[JessicaTam]

[mod hat]
This is indeed the Project Sunrise thread.

Please take WSI and related discussion elsewhere.
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[dajop]

Back on the sunrise planes. I think the biggest question is if MEL - LHR will eventuate. Although i suspect we won't see any decisions until SYD-LHR and SYD-JFK is well established.

Agreed, Will service #3 be MEL-LHR, or SYD-CDG or a second daily either SYD-JFK or SYD-LHR?

 

[SeatBackForward]

Agreed, Will service #3 be MEL-LHR, or SYD-CDG or a second daily either SYD-JFK or SYD-LHR?

Just for fun PER<>LAX.

 

[Himeno]

Agreed, Will service #3 be MEL-LHR, or SYD-CDG or a second daily either SYD-JFK or SYD-LHR?

Are you suggesting that QF will change their minds about which routes will be the sunrise routes?

They've stated that they will operate 4 sunrise routes, SYD-LHR, SYD-JFK, MEL-LHR and MEL-JFK. They haven't yet said what order they will start in, but it is clear that they will either start both SYD routes first, or both LHR routes first.
If they were to change a route from one already stated, it's likely to be the MEL-JFK that gets removed. They'll only have enough A350-1000ULRs to operate 4 sunrise routes once fully delivered.

 

[dajop]

Are you suggesting that QF will change their minds about which routes will be the sunrise routes?

They've stated that they will operate 4 sunrise routes, SYD-LHR, SYD-JFK, MEL-LHR and MEL-JFK. They haven't yet said what order they will start in, but it is clear that they will either start both SYD routes first, or both LHR routes first.
If they were to change a route from one already stated, it's likely to be the MEL-JFK that gets removed. They'll only have enough A350-1000ULRs to operate 4 sunrise routes once fully delivered.

As a Melburnian I do remain sceptical that MEL will ever see QANTSAS doing non-stops to either LHR or JFK!

They have talked about CDG, and I think the other one in the mix that has been mentioned is SYD-ORD.

 

[Himeno]

As a Melburnian I do remain sceptical that MEL will ever see QANTSAS doing non-stops to either LHR or JFK!

They have talked about CDG, and I think the other one in the mix that has been mentioned is SYD-ORD.

The normal A350-1000 can do SYD-ORD. They don't need the ULRs for that.
CDG has the limit of the air services agreement. With the current agreement, they can't get daily to mainland France with any aircraft which is realistically going to be sent to Europe. The planned cabin fitout for the sunrise aircraft is only 2 seats under the point which would force a reduction in weekly flights. Is it worth it for QF to shift the PER-CDG flights to SYD-CDG for only 4 flights/week and 8 extra weekly seats when they could send the -1000ULR elsewhere with a daily service?