Qantas Project Sunrise goes ahead, 12 new A350-1000s ordered

[Mrmaxwell]

Qantas will charge what ever the market is willing to pay.

Exactly. Post-covid is showing how much they can charge with fares across all classes pretty steep.

I was lucky enough to get upgraded to J on SYD-LHR over xmas which was selling for $20k return...crazy money for an average experience when consider customer service, food, etc

For that kind of money there are much better experiences to be had...will the a350 provide?

 

[yohy?!]

Was there any word with respect to sustainability and carbon reduction with these new aircraft and ULH flights?

Interested as to whether the additional fuel loads and subsequent burn work out to less CO2 compared to a stopover...

 

[Must...Fly!]

Was there any word with respect to sustainability and carbon reduction with these new aircraft and ULH flights?

Interested as to whether the additional fuel loads and subsequent burn work out to less CO2 compared to a stopover...

Reality is no one cares unless it's the marketing team

 

[eminere]

the F suite looks so cramped though. Consider QF will be 1-1-1 in Zone A. SQ go 1-1 in the upper deck (which is a bit narrower sure) of the 380. I call these things poor man's SQ Suites tbh. While it's hard to tell from the video and impressions, space does look quite limited.. closer to an EK F suite, just a biut wider I have the impression.

Agreed. Going by just the renders, neither the seat nor the bed look particularly wide.

 

[dylarr]

Now they can't get enough 787s...

Isn't there 3 brand new 789's that were flown straight from the Boeing's factory in Everett to Victorville for storage just sitting there waiting to be delivered? (ZNL, ZNM & ZNN)

 

[moa999]

Isn't there 3 brand new 789's that were flown straight from the Boeing's factory in Everett to Victorville for storage just sitting there waiting to be delivered? (ZNL, ZNM & ZNN)

Correct.
Expected to be delivered in the 1H FY23 (or July-Dec this year).

Jetstar AU will also start getting deliveries of the first of 18 321neos (just the regular version)

 

[moa999]

Whilst it's nice to see that AJ has actually ordered some aircraft, that, at this point at least, look like they'll go to mainline, it's worth noting that if he retires next year, he'll have been in the CEO chair for 15 years, and these are the very first aircraft that he has ordered for mainline QF.

Only because Dixon had ridiculously over-ordered.

- in 2008 when Joyce took over Qantas had firmed for 20 A380s plus 4 options and 12 more purchase rights
- plus the 100 or so 787s orders, options and rights

15 years later they've hardly gotten close.
- 12 A380s only with 2 to be retired early. Rest of orders deferred then cancelled and options expired
- 11 788s (with JQ), 11 789s delivered (and 3 789s yet to be delivered) and a bunch of options/ rights discarded.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

2008 you mean?

 

[moa999]

2008 you mean?

Yep.

Also looks like Qantas has fixed the Adelaide/Melbourne issue on the 321XLR map

 

[Mwenenzi]

Was there any word with respect to sustainability and carbon reduction with these new aircraft and ULH flights?
Interested as to whether the additional fuel loads and subsequent burn work out to less CO2 compared to a stopover...

If people were really interested in that and took their own responsible actions they would not fly. Just watch/talk what ever via the internet.

[Disclaimer: 8 cylinder engines are great!]

 

[Scr77]

If people were really interested in that and took their own responsible actions they would not fly. Just watch/talk what ever via the internet.

[Disclaimer: 8 cylinder engines are great!]

I find it easier to pay for carbon offset than to walk to NYC.

 

[Daver6]

Are the J seats just the same as the currently used J seats? I couldn't see much difference.

 

[TheInsider]

They'll need to charge a premium if oil prices remain high. How much additional fuel is needed for this flight vs a single stop around the half way point.

Doesn't really mean much if you are saving 10's of thousands from landing at another port.
As soon as they land, you have accommodation, transport, food, ground staff, landing fees, extra fuel etc etc.

 

[Happy Trails]

Was there any word with respect to sustainability and carbon reduction with these new aircraft and ULH flights?

Interested as to whether the additional fuel loads and subsequent burn work out to less CO2 compared to a stopover...

The fact sheet states "25% less CO2 emissions per seat".
Less that what, it doesn't say.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Qantas-Airbus-A350-Fact-Sheet.pdf

 

[MooTime]

just another QF Sunrise PR Ann, we've had a dozen & we're still 3-4 years away from take off.
They're much of muchness, look forward to another dozen+ announcements by 2025 with minuscules of new info.

I'm not interested in sitting for 18+ hours, I enjoy a stop over, part of the experience, will read AFF for reports one day.

I understand as a listed company QF must publicly ann material changes.

 

[downgraded]

Qantas will charge what ever the market is willing to pay.

The same people pooh-poohed the PER-LHR flight for the same reasons but yet it went gangbusters. As this will. ULH is very much a thing, even your beloved SQ is doing it.

QF9 from MEL via PER was offering some of the cheapest Y seats to London available from any carrier, so it will be interesting to see where it goes. If Y is made wide enough to avoid contact with your neighbour it doesn't really make PE much of a going proposition - it's still a sit up seat and Y meals in china-ware at an eye watering price.

 

[jpp42]

QF9 from MEL via PER was offering some of the cheapest Y seats to London available from any carrier,

Is that for a sustained period of time or are you referring to a pandemic-related anomaly? My impression is that the [East Coast]-PER-LHR flights in 2018/2019 were consistently more expensive than almost every other airline - I wouldn't ascribe much importance to one-offs here and there as travel is restarting. Right, prices seem middle of the road but certainly not cheap. For comparison, the cheapest SYD-LHR return available for random dates in July is on Sri Lankan at $2000 followed by Thai and Korean Air at $3000, then Qantas at $3900 via PER (with very similar prices on Emirates, Qatar, and Etihad, and Singapore Airlines coming in at $4500.)

 

[Must...Fly!]

Well QF did have a Rome sale last week and whole the premium cabins seemed very expensive to me (though they almost always do anyway), economy from MEL was "from" $1720 which didn't seem unreasonable as a headline figure.

 

[downgraded]

Is that for a sustained period of time or are you referring to a pandemic-related anomaly? My impression is that the [East Coast]-PER-LHR flights in 2018/2019 were consistently more expensive than almost every other airline - I wouldn't ascribe much importance to one-offs here and there as travel is restarting. Right, prices seem middle of the road but certainly not cheap. For comparison, the cheapest SYD-LHR return available for random dates in July is on Sri Lankan at $2000 followed by Thai and Korean Air at $3000, then Qantas at $3900 via PER (with very similar prices on Emirates, Qatar, and Etihad, and Singapore Airlines coming in at $4500.)

 

[downgraded]

During 2017/18 I picked up several QF MEL-LHR returns for <$1700 (there was one at about $1480 and I did see it offered at $13xx ). It made a mockery of my refusal to travel long haul Y on the 787 but confirmed my feeling that QF had essentially lost its way as it clearly couldn't sell the value proposition of the Oz to Europe no stop ( yes I know it was one stop from the east coast which may have been their marketing flaw).