Qantas Points and Status Credits - Let's make it simpler again!

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Keep in mind that I don't think QF intend the examples under the distance based system to be definitive. For example, "Short International" and "Mid-Range International" both include "intra-USA". I would ignore the routing examples and focus only on the distance - unless of course you are dealing with a specific Route-Based earn flight under the "Region" table.

That's the major problem with the table, short international (or whatever it's called) implies distance. However, it also states that intra-japan, a region, is included in short international.
 
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What about the minimum points guarantee or status bonus? :confused: When I look at the simpler fairer QF website it says those are earned on JQ/GK :confused:

Someone spotted my deliberate mistake. ;) (that's my story and I'm sticking to it) In seriousness, I just listed to table numbers to make it traceable to others reading the post. Minimum points not considered.
 

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Hopefully serfty will tell us his answer also re WP on GK cough NRT :)
 

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EK counts ATH-xDXB-LHR as ATH-LHR.

At least someone in QFF realises there is a limit to how far they can push the envelope.

Not a bad earn either. LHR-ATH ... IST-LHR BA J cost me £486.53 for 160SC
 

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That's the major problem with the table, short international (or whatever it's called) implies distance. However, it also states that intra-japan, a region, is included in short international.

Agreed. It also states that "short international" and "mid-range international" (of which there are 2!!!) includes intra-USA.

The monikers and examples assigned by the QF Team are USELESS and CONFUSING. The quicker they dump them the better. If they'd rolled out a new zone/distance based table and a clear region based table, I suspect the fall out would have been less. It feels like they set out to confuse and befuddle.
 

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Fundamentally they've increased the distance requirements for some bands. Should we wonder if they introduced this regions rubbish in the hope people wouldn't notice?
 

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Hidden in the detail of the most of the non-region based (i.e. domestic and "all other QF flights") is the reality that it's still mileage based. So yes, if it's specifically covered, you don't need to worry about miles, but if it's not, you do.

Also, the layout of the region table I uploaded seeks to group the regions to make it easier to read and digest. Qantas lists East Coast AU to [insert destination here] 5 separate times. I have grouped them to make it easier to see if you're flight falls into a region. With the QF tables, you need to read the whole table to ascertain if your origin and destination are covered. Under the table I uploaded, you look for your departure point (e.g. East Coast AU) and then you can see all relevant arrivals (per the QF table) listed alongside. Again - this only applies for the regions that QF specifically mentions. So some of my simplification is just about layout. Listing East Coast AU 5 times and not even one after the other, but spread out over the 12 line table is just silly...and IMHO not the way most people process information.

I didn't take this approach for the domestic flights because the examples that QF lists are just that, examples! It's still a mileage based system for Domestic flights.

Ah! Excellent. Thanks.
 

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Trick Question: Can someone tell me how many points and SC's I as a WP would earn on a Jetstar Plus Pack travelling on GK (Jetstar Japan) flight number and metal between cough and NRT?
Serfty, is the correct answer not to fly Jetstar at all?
 

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Definitely better on JAL with the 1000yen J-Class addon
 

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Hopefully serfty will tell us his answer also re WP on GK cough NRT :)

To be honest I don't know!

If you look at the airline earning tables on the QFF T&C's page, the only reference to Japan "domestic" is under Codeshares ...

... it's likely to be distance bad with just the minimum points guarantee of 800 for WP and 10 sc's.
 

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Serfty, is the correct answer not to fly Jetstar at all?

In this case is practicality ... arriving on AA from the USA ~3PM ... To get to cough on JL that evening I would need to transfer to HND.
 

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What am i missing? The new tables published by QF yesterday seem pretty straight forward now?

And just to pick up on an earlier point - the partner earn for AA in first class (YUPs) seems relatively the same right (except for flights under 750 miles). Or have I read those wrong?


So, there's 40 SC flying AA First Class in the example of up to 750 miles:


USA up to 750 mi.JPG


and, there's 90 SC flying AA First Class under "All other flights" for 751 to 1500 miles:



USA up to 751 to 1500 mi.JPG


Putting aside how the whole thing has been devalued, that seems like a huge jump from one bracket to the next.

Or is there more to this calculation?


Edit: I'm sure that I've previously received 120 SC for ORD-MIA (about 1206 miles), so there's definitely a devaluation now.
 
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So I read correctly :) For some of the longer YUPPs it seems no loss under the new system.
 

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So I read correctly :) For some of the longer YUPPs it seems no loss under the new system.

I have edited my post, above, with an example of some devaluation (ORD-MIA was in the >1200 mile category from memory, for 120 SC).

However, I haven't really looked into the whole thing yet to determine how much it affects the longer runs.
 
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I have edited my post, above, with an example of some devaluation (ORD-MIA was in the >1200 mile category from memory, for 120 SC).

However, I haven't really looked into the whole thing yet to determine how much it affects the longer runs.

well - when I say 'no loss' I mean that under the old system you might have made 640SCs or whatever (to requalify for gold), now you might only make 600 or something. But the outcome is still the same :) The same YUPP fare (at least on the long run I was looking at) gives the same status - not like you have to buy 2 x YUPPs to get what you could from 1 before.
 

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Trick Question: Can someone tell me how many points and SC's I as a WP would earn on a Jetstar Plus Pack travelling on GK (Jetstar Japan) flight number and metal between cough and NRT?

is SFA the right answer ??
 

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Plus on GK should earn, I assume at Disc Y rates.

The short US flights are impacted a lot. Others are unchanged / slightly lower thanks to the bracket creep in mileage zones
 
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