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Qantas Neglects their Roots Again

Discussion in 'Cheap International Airfares' started by AlwaysUpThere, Aug 19, 2005.

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  1. AlwaysUpThere

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    I was working in Singapore until January this year and REALY enjoyed some of the great fares offered between Singapore and Australia. Qantas led the way and the others followed with special prices. I was in Hong Kong before that for a few years so was out of touch with the Australian market fares.

    On my return I was dumbfounded to see what Qantas were doing to Australian consumers. Today (19 Aug 05) I received the latest fares via a QF e-newsletter. The latest SIN-SYD fare is SGD468 (=AUD373 !!) return! No Mininimum stay; maximum 1 year. OMG. On qf.com today, the cheapest "Global Deal" from Sydney TO Singapore is AUD978, 260% more.

    You can't even get to Perth from Sydney for the price they are charging ex SIN to SYD.

    These were available all throughout last year, with the exception of school holiday periods at both ends.

    In this day and age of the internet exomony, I would encourage all of us to get a bit smarter than the "white rat" and buy tickets in Asia where it fits your needs. The airlines call this "Cross Border Selling" and was their biggest fear with the gradual proliferation of ticket purchases on the internet. This info may be especially helpful if you don't have enough points for ultra-long-haul - get to SIN on points and then just AUD796 to LHR from SIN...

    Full e-mail and fare set:

    PS - Sorry for the winge; just hope some readers can take advantage.
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  2. JohnK

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    Thanks AlwaysUpThere,

    My eyes lit up when I saw those prices, as I would love to do a status run to achieve silver again and possibly even gold and who knows maybe even platinum. Stop dreaming, platinum!!!!.

    I have logged on to the Qantas website with singapore as my home city and the best price I could get for travel Singapore to Perth return (fly out sep 20 return sep 23 just as an example) was $551SGD (taxes are $263SGD!!!!). Still not bad compared to what it could cost travelling from PER to SIN return.

    I could just see myself doing SYD-SIN-PER-SIN-SYD. Travel SYD-SIN-SYD with british airways wt+ $1339.92AUD earning 120 status credits, then SIN-PER-SIN with qantas discount economy $430AUD earning 50 status credits. Total cost $1740 for 170 status credits at around $10.23 per status credit. I know that is not a great ratio but it is not bad. And the possibilities from Singapore are endless. SIN-LHR-SIN is around $1200SGD for wt+ (approximately $960AUD) which returns 160 status credits at $6 per status credit. Hey that is a fantastic return!!!!. Are my calculations correct? Interesting how SYD-SIN-SYD is more expensive than SIN-LHR-SIN (much longer flight) on wt+.

    Ahh... The joys of trying to create a status run. Costs nothing to dream.

    Here was some of the fine print for the SIN-PER-SIN deal.

    IMPORTANT INFORMATION:

    Seats are limited.

    Class of Travel is Economy.

    Prices are in Singapore Dollars.

    Only E-Tickets are issued.

    Changes - One date/flight change permitted after departure at administration surcharge of S$75.

    Fares valid for Economy Class.

    E-Tickets issued are non refundable, non reroutable and non endorsable.

    Prices exclude taxes, insurance, fuel and other surcharges.

    Fuel surcharge of US$48 per International sector is applicable for all tickets.

    The online booking engine is only able to display flights until 30th June 2006.

    Stopovers: This option is not available for bookings made online.

    Because customers can book from anywhere in the world using the Qantas website, Qantas will only accept the following credit cards:
    - Visa Card
    - Master Card
    - UATP
    - Diners Card
    - American Express
    - JCB Card
    Note : Australian and New Zealand Bankcard and Qantas Charge cards, at present, are not available as a method of payment for bookings over the internet
     


  3. Mal

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    I think Qantas finds extremely heavy competition in Singapore. This is thinly veiled in the reports with comments like "Mr Dixon said Qantas had to cut costs not only because of surging oil prices but also to remain competitive against government-owned airlines such as Emirates and Singapore Airlines."
    (http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/qantas-prepares-to-wield-the-axe/2005/08/18/1123958181792.html)

    Qantas must have a hard time getting people to fly from Singapore. Singapore air would have a strangle hold on the market... they are merely meeting the competitive pressures to try and stay competitive.

    Still, I feel ripped off any time I see the Ex-Asia fares...
     
  4. QF WP

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    Mal, I believe your assessment answers AlwaysUpThere's original post. There is much greater competition. Competition = pricing pressure = cheaper deals = consumers' market (not airlines market (or read QF) as it is here in Australia).

    JohnK, BA's WT+ is perfect for a status run. Cheaper per unit cost ($/SC's) than almost any other medium or long haul fare. If you are travelling from MEL or SYD to SIN, BKK or LHR; it's a fait acompli to travel in premium economy for a proportionally reduced cost differential. QF lost me some years ago on the Kangaroo Route and aren't likely to get me back. The only time I travelled QF is when I could score a U seat, now with the post 25 May changes, they aren't likely to get me back (with me having to wait until <24 hours to see if i have scored a J seat).

    I arranged the exact same ticketing for my M-i-L as you quoted. I purchased a Q class BNE/SIN/BNE and a BA WT+ SIN/LHR/SIN (I'm lucky to know a QF CSA who works in QF SIN Res). But I put my M-i-L on an AA's Lack of Challenge (rather than her not even climbing to QF Silver after all the flights). She'll instead get AA Plat mid-flight SIN/LHR and will be AA Plat for her return flights (including access to Lounges, Business Class check-in).

    That, together with the cheaper redemptions (20K points anywhere in Australia or NZ) means her next holiday is paid for (except for the taxes).
     
  5. BlacKnox

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    Yes flights in WT+ ex. BKK or SIN usually represent good value. It's also probably the easiest way for someone to get AA Platinum via the LOC, if you're based in Asia. For example, BA Thailand now has a promotion for WT+ ex. BKK to SYD, MEL or BNE for THB29,000 (around Aus$950) + taxes. This return flight would easily qualify for AA Platinum (through LOC), as WT+ classes earn 1.5Q Points from memory, and 110% mileage accrual :D .
     


  6. BlacKnox

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    Mal, it's not always smooth sailing over here. Naturally, prices ex. Japan for QF, BA etc are nothing special, while local prices are often extortionate. On Monday I had to fork out $450 for a one-way KIX-CTS on ANA - a 667mile fare :x .
     
  7. markis10

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    How does that work with no BA flights to Bne?
     
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  9. QF WP

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    BlacKnox, that's a good deal - I usually get my WT+ deal from a friendly QF CSA based in SIN. You are spot on with the AA QPoints & Mileage accrual for WT+.

    markis10, that fare probably allows for a SYD or MEL/BNE QF flight (in K class) as does the Aus-based TPLX fares.
     
  10. Anna

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    The problem I have had in the past with trying to buy internet flight tickets from a foreign site is that the site will only accept credit cards where the billing address is in the country of the site. I think this is how the airlines try to prevent 'cross border selling'. Has anyone had success in booking Qantas tickets from a foreign site on an Australian credit card?
     
  11. NM

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    I think it has more to do with avoiding credit card fraud than cross-border selling.

    I know several people who do this regularly, but have not experience myself. All my flights are either purchased through an Australian travel agency or direct from QF web site.
     
  12. serfty

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    You are correct about ex SIN fares.

    Last April before May the changes, I booked an Award 50,000 QFF point return trip to SIN (MEL-PER-SIN-MEL) for mid January. (BTW, that's a hard time of year for Awards and cheap fares).

    Last Month mrs serfty decided she wished to come along too. Well, the best fare I could find in OZ for the same flights as I was already booked on was ~AUD1800. Six months out, awards seemed an impossibility; I could get to PER ok, just not to SIN or back to MEL :(. I could not seriously consider reticketing my own travel as it would cost 5000 + 10000 for new flights + extra Fuel levey costs (If any were indeed available).

    Last week, I found a T1 (PS/SG/WP award class) on the PER-SIN flight and while doing some checking entered the QF Singapore site and checked for one way fare costs SIN-MEL on the flight I am booked on (QF10). Lo & Behold there was one for SGD583 (inc. Taxes etc.).

    This is ~AUD468, so with that plus 30,000 points & $142 later, mrs serfty is booked MEL-PER-SIN and SIN-MEL.

    The charge come thru on my Amex yesterday so all is sweet. 8)
     
  13. AlwaysUpThere

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    Internet fraud can generally be detected by airlines before the fraudster actually travels, so less risk than say, buying a Bose sound system, watches or jewelery.

    I still believe entering your address into the site is the "cross-border" issue...
     
  14. serfty

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    Yep! :)

    As Mmy previous post; last week ex SIN Qantas Web Site. Also, on at least 5 occasions using the NZ Qantas Web Site (one way & return (nesting) ).
     
  15. clifford

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    It may be an issue with some airlines, but many are just happy to take your money.

    For example, this year, I have made several bookings with the overseas webites of SQ, UA, U2, Ryanair, Tiger Airways, Air Asia, etc, etc. However, I note that Air NZ is one of those that insists on a local credit card (a good way to lose business, but that's Air NZ).

    Also, Zuji will allow you to book flights in foreign currency ex overseas ports (I've just purchased a BOM-LHR-NCE return ticket on BM from Zuji).

    Might be worth a look.
     
  16. Guest

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    Australian credit card fraud screening is shocking and far behind the rest of the world. Just make up a SG address for your card. You might have a problem if your card is signed up to verified by visa but otherwise 9 times out of 10 will pass seemlessly through their system. Most decent online companies (not australian merchant facilities) use <Cant say> technology that will grab your ip, machine details and a few other vital pieces of infomation and process your transaction depending on the risk determined by this data.

    Technically it is de-frauding the company by doing this, and borderline illegal...very grey area in australian law apparently ... but if you do get busted for trying this all they will do is deny the ticket to you.

    Some tickets also have a condition that you must be a SG citizen in order to get the fair....no idea if they can check or enforce this..

    :)
     
  17. Kiwi Flyer

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    It says it needs NZ credit card but apparently does not check. Many reports on FT of foreigners using Air NZ's NZ website (and saving decent $$ over the overseas websites).
     
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