Qantas FF and Woolworths create new loyalty alliance

[john_kowolski]

Has anyone actually had any points allocated to their QFF accounts yet?

I did a shop at Woolies yesterday and I have had a fuel voucher credited to my account. However, under the QFF part of the everday rewards site, no points have been issued and it says it may take up to 21 days to appear


So has anyone already been credited with their points?

 

[garee]

Just noticed something on the QF webpage. If you follow the link below -

Frequent Flyer - Earning Points

And within the Cars box, use the drop-down button and there is a new FUEL option. It links to a missing web page.

Not sure if its related to Woolworths fuel or something else.

Maybe someone accidently let the cat out of the bag?

Once again I quote from the original media release.
The offer will be available to Woolworths Supermarket and Liquor customers from 22 June and to BIG W
customers from 16 July. Offers will also be launched in coming months for customers of BWS, **** Smith and participating Caltex Woolworths co-branded fuel outlets.

 

[garee]

Has anyone actually had any points allocated to their QFF accounts yet?

I did a shop at Woolies yesterday and I have had a fuel voucher credited to my account. However, under the QFF part of the everday rewards site, no points have been issued and it says it may take up to 21 days to appear


So has anyone already been credited with their points?

During the Woolies staff trial, points took about 48 hours to register on the EDR site and were transferred to the QF FF site once a week on a Friday.

 

[garee]

Is my rough calculation wrong? And BTW I'm just pasing my evening with some maths! How sad

But something seems seriously bad value about this scheme.... UNLESS you pump massive amounts through woolies owned stores.

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Say over a period of 1 year, a couple spends $130 a week on groceries from WW. $6760 spent in the year.

130 -30 = 100 points per week. 5200 points earned from the new scheme each year. Plus the 6760 points from a credit card double dip on a 1:1 ratio card. So it's 11960 points lets just call it 12k

If the same groceries were to cost $125 a week at Coles or IGA for arguments sake...$6500 spent. Plus 6500 points on the credit card.

A saving of $260 plus 6500 points.

Currently Qantas has $69 fares MEL-SYD one way. Not to mention Virgin and Tiger and Jetstar every day and sale fares etc

12k points gets you to Syd and half way back (16k needed).

So for this couple, the whole scheme seems rather silly to dedicate yourself to woolies. better to shop smart and shop for the lowest prices.

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Compare it to say a large family spending $400 a week on groceries.

370*52 = 19,240 points + cc 20,800 = ~40k points.

Now thats more substantial..... but not sure how much large families spend on shopping each week. I live alone atm But again they need to dedicate themselves to woolies and lose out if coles or other supermarkets are cheaper.

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Thoughts?

You are only using Woolwoths as a points provider. Once BIG W, BWS, **** Smith and participating Caltex Woolworths co-branded fuel outlets join EDR, a lot more points can be earned.

 

[serfty]

You are only using Woolwoths as a points provider. Once BIG W, BWS, **** Smith and participating Caltex Woolworths co-branded fuel outlets join EDR, a lot more points can be earned.

I guess everything is relative.

In the last four calendar years flying has earned me earned an average of 240K QFF points so any points earned from these programmes while appreciated are a drop in the ocean.

Where this will be most useful is to keep those QFF accounts of infrequent flyers active and building balances.

 

[anat0l]

When it comes down to it, why should people be able to shop for an average family all year and not fly at all, yet expect to reap a free international flight every year for them and their family?

Everything that is earnt apart from flying should remain fairly incidental. It certainly adds up, but if you could get free flights without having to fly, what's the point?

This is why capacity control based on status for award seats has its merits, despite all the plebs yelling they can't redeem seats. (If they could settle for a domestic flight, they should have no problem...)

 

[justinbrett]

I don't think it costs any more to shop at Woollies than it does Coles - in fact I always thought Coles was more expensive (but have more luxury items).

I earn about 50,000 points a year. I agree with others that shopping alone won't get you a flight anytime soon (though probably better than FlyBuys). But I think I could average 100 points a week - that's 5,000 points in a year. 10% more than what I'm earning now. And it's money I'm already spending. (I may go to Woollies instead of Coles, but I'm not going to shop for the sake of it).

It's like Hertz giving you 3 points per dollar. I was only ever getting about 150 points a hire, but it is money you have to spend anyway, so why not get a few extra points?

 

[medhead]

While it is true that not entering will reduce expenditure, I do like to eat as does my wife and three kids.

While I realise some are...I am not an impulse buyer.

Indeed I am the opposite as I maximise my savings by buying at the best price...and as mentioned I am not wedded to the major supermarkets.

If you are a desciplined shopper though, and flexible with your menu, and I am on both counts, one can take advantage of the loss leader items that these stores offer, as well as mark-downs and good specials.

Stores are creatures of habit..and if one notices their cycles and habits there are genuine savings to be made.

And yes I avoid engineered "sale" items which are not real with illusionary savings.

All good advice and no doubt I phased my post incorrectly. I still think that the biggest savings are had by going there knowing what you'll buy and just getting those things. On the menu flexibility, I prefer to get what I want to eat and hence might pay a bit more than needed. But our menu is set taking into account what is offered in the weekly catalogue.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

the biggest savings are had by going there knowing what you'll buy and just getting those things. .

I agree...but my variation is I am not phased in getting a particular thing on a particular shop....and I will get those items over a number of shops rather than on one shop.

I know what I need, but only buy it if it is discounted...unless I need it now. ie milk and other fresh items.

For example take something as mundane as toilet paper. I don't wait till I run out and always keep enough of a buffer by buying on sale before I need it to last till next time.

Banana's area favourite of one of my daughters. But they go up and down hugely, even more than petrol!!!. Luckily they are often a loss leader....and so I buy when the price is right.

It is now just a habit and I don't even have to think about it... I just know what I need and if it is cheap I stock up then. So I don't prepare lists or browse catalogues as I don't need to. But yes this is my system and will not suit many. We each have our own system, though some just buy what they need without really minimising spend. My wife is sucha shopper which a key reason why I do the shopping

 

[lovetravellingoz]

It's like Hertz giving you 3 points per dollar. I was only ever getting about 150 points a hire, but it is money you have to spend anyway, so why not get a few extra points?

Yes..but your example can also show the advantage of optimisation.

In my case I put my Hertz hire to BMI and get 1700 points rather than the 150 points...and BMI have a better burn rate than QFF too.

 

[medhead]

Banana's area favourite of one of my daughters. But they go up and down hugely, even more than petrol!!!. Luckily they are often a loss leader....and so I buy when the price is right.

Ahh, you buy fruit. You can save heaps by not buying exotic things like fruit.

Unfortunately my wife does the shopping and she doesn't agree with "stocking up". Always refuses to buy 10kg of rice or flour. I just don't understand her problem with saving money.

 

[bambbbam2]

Ha love the way we can't say DSE, ie **** Smith.

Can we say Emily ****inson?

 

[vilemerchant]

Can we say Emily ****inson?

I've heard she loves the ****.

 

[penegal]

Ahh, you buy fruit. You can save heaps by not buying exotic things like fruit.

I wasn't aware fruit was exotic?
I usually get my fruit, veg, meats, fish, etc from Queen Victoria Market, so generally only buy long life products at WW unless I run out of something, or forget to source it at the market. In my experience the quality and price of market goods is comparable or better than WW.

Unfortunately my wife does the shopping and she doesn't agree with "stocking up". Always refuses to buy 10kg of rice or flour. I just don't understand her problem with saving money.

I bought a 10kg bag of rice today. They are really heavy

 

[anat0l]

I bought a 10kg bag of rice today. They are really heavy

Try going to a store in Chinatown and purchasing a 25kg sack. :shock:

 

[tuapekastar]

Try going to a store in Chinatown and purchasing a 25kg sack. :shock:

Err, excess baggage charges there, I think!

 

[penegal]

Try going to a store in Chinatown and purchasing a 25kg sack. :shock:

I haven't been going to the gym long enough for 25Kg sacks yet

 

[oz_mark]

For example take something as mundane as toilet paper. I don't wait till I run out and always keep enough of a buffer by buying on sale before I need it to last till next time.

If you were really committed, you'd have worked out the sales cycle that your particular brand of toilet paper is on. Many basic products have a cycle where they will appear on sale every x weeks.

As for fresh fruit/vegetables/meat, my experience is that aside from the markdowns and occassional deep discount on a particular item, Coles and Woolworths are among the more expensive places to be buying these things

 

[one9]

Finally some Qantas points have showed up today on the woolworths website . The points showed up today for my 22/06 shop, but have not yet showed up for my 23/06 shop. So it seems the 48 hours to show up is about right.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

As for fresh fruit/vegetables/meat, my experience is that aside from the markdowns and occassional deep discount on a particular item, Coles and Woolworths are among the more expensive places to be buying these things

I agree..which is why as mentioned in my earlier posts I do not buy any of these items from the Major Supermarkets at "fool" price (full price ).

I favour my local greengrocer for fresh fruit/veg...only buy the loss leaders from the majors (or which there is always at least one loss-leader item each time you vist).

Tomatoes I buy for flavour...and tomatoes at the major would rarely qualify

Meat is from a number of sources. Maors are only used for major mardowns.