Qantas Delays/Cancellations

[Melburnian1]

QF says that the delayed QF15 (Wednesday 6 December) will be at LAX at 0945 hours, 225 minutes late. QF11 from LAX across to JFK is allegedly to depart at 1220, 240 minutes tardy. JFK arrival should be at 2035, 245 late.

On some other occasions when QF15 is this late and the same B744 is rostered for the transcon USA QF11/ QF12, QF has cancelled 'the 11' and 'the 12' and used AA flights in both directions to convey passengers.

It may be that loadings pre-Christmas on USA domestic flights across that nation are heavy, or perhaps crew positioning influences the apparent decision to 'keep it going' in a few hours time.

VH-OEE still has not operated another flight ex LAX if FR24 is correct.

 

[Must...Fly!]

So they have. Return QF12 to LAX is also delayed, but not onward to SYD. They have not pushed back QF16 either, yet at least. Perhaps they expect -OEE to be ready to go by then, so QF16 departs on time Wednesday night. Followed by running QF12D onward to Sydney very early Thursday morning, as an extra flight to recover the aircraft back in to the rotation. Or empty if the cabin crew isn't available.

 

[Melburnian1]

A good summary and hypothesis, Must....Fly!

What's missing is an indication from a technically minded AFF member as to how challenging repair of VH-OEE's APU is likely to be.

From observation, it is pretty rare for aircraft involved in 'minor' incidents or occurrences to be inoperable for more than a couple of days. Although some will have been fully depreciated if an airline owns them, they remain high value transport assets and on top of that the peak Christmas travel period is upon us. QF begins its thrice weekly seasonal SYD - YVR flights very soon.

 

[ayebee]

A good summary and hypothesis, Must....Fly!

What's missing is an indication from a technically minded AFF member as to how challenging repair of VH-OEE's APU is likely to be.

noticed VH-OEE just departed LAX 6 Dec 0115 as QF6021.
wondering if any paying passengers onboard as 60xx flight numbers often used for positioning flights.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Well there you go. My theory out the window, more adjustments to come for QF16 then if QF11/12 on to JFK is to actually operate. QF probably need it ready to go before YVR starts up on Saturday as pointed out by M1

 

[Melburnian1]

Yes, the QF60XX flight numbers are either empty ('ferry') flights or specials (as in 'charters' for Exclusive Brethren, the Captain's Choice - Phil Asker - tours or similar.) The third use is to position for planned maintenance (also a 'ferry' flight) that in the case of (say) the A388s occurs at Lufthansa Techniik, MNL.

My guess is that save for crew, the flight is empty but it would be good to have that confirmed.

VH-OEE is estimated to arrive in SYD at 1100 on Thursday 7 December.

QF136 on Wednesday 6 (B744 VH-OEF) arrived at 2011 hours, 126 minutes late as earlier, QF143, the 1015 hours SYD - AKL had not become airborne until 1245 hours. This was after the B744 was only about 10 minutes late on the inbound QF74 this morning ex SFO, pulling in at about 0617 hours.

 

[Must...Fly!]

On the topic of Manila, VH-OQL returned this morning for the holiday rush after a solid 7 weeks on the ground in the Philippines.

 

[Melburnian1]

Isn't that lengthy Must...Fly!? I thought it was usually four or five weeks for the A388 checks undertaken in MNL. Is it becoming longer as the A388s age, despite VH-OQL only about to have its sixth birthday on 16 December 2017?

 

[Must...Fly!]

I am only guessing, but I suspect a 3C check at 6 years. Involves stripping the cabin, engine pylons, amongst a thousand other things.But I think it stops short of a full strip down. I'm sure jb747 could provide a detailed answer.

 

[mrsterryn]

So they have. Return QF12 to LAX is also delayed, but not onward to SYD. They have not pushed back QF16 either, yet at least. Perhaps they expect -OEE to be ready to go by then, so QF16 departs on time Wednesday night. Followed by running QF12D onward to Sydney very early Thursday morning, as an extra flight to recover the aircraft back in to the rotation. Or empty if the cabin crew isn't available.

How does Qantas advise if this is the case?
Currently due to fly QF12 out of JFK tonight

 

[JohnPhelan]

How does Qantas advise if this is the case?
Currently due to fly QF12 out of JFK tonight

Should do so by SMS. But doesn't always seem to happen. Best rule is always to proactively check on the website yourself.

 

[serfty]

QF says that the delayed QF15 (Wednesday 6 December) will be at LAX at 0945 hours, 225 minutes late. QF11 from LAX across to JFK is allegedly to depart at 1220, 240 minutes tardy. JFK arrival should be at 2035, 245 late.

There's a forum member on the JFK flight to LAX: QF12 delay ex JFK

 

[Melburnian1]

Wednesday 6 December's QF11 managed to depart LAX at 1217 hours, three minutes earlier than QF had predicted with JFK arrival suggested at 2005, 215 minutes late. 'The 12' is then to depart JFK at 2130 - too optimistic from previous occurrences of delayed flights into and out of this airport - with LAX arrival on Thursday 7 at 0030, 185 minutes late.

QF12 from LAX to SYD and QF94 to MEL are displaying as estimated punctual departures, which does not make sense unless everyone connecting to SYD or MEL stayed on the ex-JFK QF12 B744 if it then operated QF16. The latter is estimated to depart LAX at 0240 hours for a Friday 8 BNE arrival at 1040 hours, 205 minutes delayed.

In turn this will probably delay QF15, the Friday 8 1120 hours BNE - LAX.

 

[Melburnian1]

On Thursday 7 December, QF419 (0830 hours from SYD down to MEL, A332 VH-EBQ) did not take off until 0936, so arrival is suggested at 1049 hours, 44 minutes tardy.

QF29 (0945 hours morning MEL - HKG) is expected to depart at the unusual time of 1103. This may be an ATC 'controlled departures' time as QF left to its own devices usually specifies a time to the nearest five minutes. Arrival is predicted for 1738, 83 late so if any passengers are connecting they may need to be rebooked. The aircraft looks to be A333 VH-QPD that arrived 31 early at 0729 this morning on QF80 ex NRT.

UPDATE: QF29 departed earlier - at 1024 - than QF had advised so arrival has advanced to 1636 hours, 21 minutes late, which if it holds is good news for connecting passengers.

 

[ayebee]

Wednesday 6 December's QF11 managed to depart LAX at 1217 hours.....
... QF12 from LAX to SYD and QF94 to MEL are displaying as estimated punctual departures, which does not make sense unless everyone connecting to SYD or MEL stayed on the ex-JFK QF12 B744 if it then operated QF16.

Hi Mel1,
we were on a similarly delayed QF12 JFK-LAX a while back.
We were told quite early, even before going to JFK if I recall correctly, that we would not be on QF94 that night, but would get a connection in Oz. We saw 94 taxiing as we arrived at LAX. That time the same aircraft operated QF12 JFK-LAX-SYD.

BTW - the delayed QF11 looks like it is diverting to DFW.

 

[mrsterryn]

Yep qf11 is in descent to Dallas...no idea What will happen.

 

[ayebee]

Yep qf11 is in descent to Dallas...no idea What will happen.

I noted you were on 12 tonight - could be a long night. My sympathies.

 

[mrsterryn]

Thank you..solidarity over drinks in the BA lounge

 

[Melburnian1]

Looks like the Wednesday QF11 from LAX spent from 1740 hours to 1852 in DFW with JFK arrival suggested as 2359 hours, 324 minutes late. A long night indeed for QF12 passengers ex JFK!

 

[serfty]

Looks like the Wednesday QF11 from LAX spent from 1740 hours to 1852 in DFW with JFK arrival suggested as 2359 hours, 324 minutes late. A long night indeed for QF12 passengers ex JFK!

@mrsterryn being one.

It's coming up to 10:30pm in NYC.
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Flight Status Search:
Departing on 06/12/17
Flying QF flight 12

Flight   Status           Depart Location  Depart Date                   Reliability  Arrive Location  Arrive Date
                          JFK              Scheduled: 06/12/17 6:00 PM                LAX              Scheduled: 06/12/17 8:55 PM
QF 12    Scheduled        Term: 7          Estimated: 07/12/17 12:30 AM  24% / 43m    Term: TBIT       Estimated: 07/12/17 3:25 AM
                          Gate:            Actual:                                    Gate:            Actual:

                          LAX              Scheduled: 06/12/17 10:30 PM               SYD              Scheduled: 08/12/17 8:30 AM
QF 12    Scheduled        Term: TBIT       Estimated:                    30% / 49m    Term: 1          Estimated:
                          Gate:            Actual:                                    Gate:            Actual:


Comments:
"DOQF12/06DEC
* OPERATIONAL FLIGHT INFO *            QF  12   -1 WE 06DEC17 
CITY INFO                                       HOUR (LOCAL)
 
JFK  ESTIMATED TIME OF DEPARTURE                0030   1     
     FLT DELAYED JFK/LAX ONLY 2130 / 0025 1     0229         
     ESTIMATED DEPARTURE 06DEC                  2130         
     ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL                  0325   1 LAX 
*1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO*              QF  12   -1 WE 06DEC17 
APT ARR   DY DEP   DY CLASS/MEAL          EQP  GRND  EFT   TTL
JFK          1800  WE JCDIUWRTZYB/D       744         5:55   
                      HKMLVSNQOGX/D                           
                      E/D                                     
LAX 2055  WE 2230  WE FAPJCDIUWRT/RM      388   1:35 15:00   
                      ZYBHKMLVSNQ/RM                         
                      OGXE/RM                                 
SYD 0830  FR                                               22:30
COMMENTS-
 1.JFK LAX   - Q/ INTL ONLINE CONNECTING OR STOPOVR TRAFFIC ONL
 2.ENTIRE FLT- MEMBER OF ONEWORLD                             
 3.JFK LAX   - DEPARTS TERMINAL 7                             
 4.LAX SYD   - DEPARTS TERMINAL B                             
 5.JFK LAX   - ARRIVES TERMINAL B                             
 6.LAX SYD   - ARRIVES TERMINAL 1                             
 7.ENTIRE FLT-   1/ MOVIE                                     
 8.ENTIRE FLT-  15/ IN-SEAT VIDEO PLAYER/LIBRARY             
 9.ENTIRE FLT-   4/ AUDIO PROGRAMMING                         
10.ENTIRE FLT-   7/ DUTY FREE SALES                           
11.ENTIRE FLT-   9/ NON-SMOKING                               
12.ENTIRE FLT- SECURED FLIGHT                                 
13.ENTIRE FLT-  ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE                 
14.JFK LAX   -             TR APPLIES ON OFF POINT           
15.ENTIRE FLT- ADV PAX WWW.SMARTRAVELLER.GOV.AU AND REF GG APIS
16.ENTIRE FLT- FLIGHT PLUS MANDATORY US VISA REQMTS REFR ESTA 
17.ENTIRE FLT- MANDATORY NAME GENDER DOB REQMTS REFR US SECURE
18.ENTIRE FLT- VISIT QANTAS.COM FOR ELIGIBILITY AND INSTRUCTION
19.JFK LAX   -  CO2/PAX* 281.27 KG ECO, 562.53 KG PRE         
20.JFK SYD   -  CO2/PAX* 989.38 KG ECO, 1,978.77 KG PRE       
21.LAX SYD   -  CO2/PAX* 708.12 KG ECO, 1,416.23 KG PRE       
 (*):SOURCE:ICAO CARBON EMISSIONS CALCULATOR               
CONFIGURATION-
               744  J  58   W  36   Y 270                     
               388  P  14   J  64   W  35   Y 371             
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