Qantas crew

[DC3]

...... hook, line and sinker.

 

[clazman]

cant catch a fish with no bait

 

[samh004]

At what point does free speech become offensive?

Becoming offensive would be a personal opinion.

However, free speech isn't absolute and would be controlled when it becomes discriminatory, etc... I'd start here.

On this website, so long as community rules aren't broken, there's no need to worry.

As for continued posts to keep it active, without adding content, I'd imagine that could be seen as spamming...

 

[PaulST]

At what point does free speech become offensive?

Often when it's truthful, but that's another kettle of fish...

 

[serfty]

Hmmm ... to precis the OP:

The author flew on a service which was crewed by a relatively lazy guy who wore an aftershave which had a smell the authur found offensive.

With this, the question is asked:

" How do you stop male crew from wearing strong aftershave. ... "

 

[Daver6]

Here's a simple solution to the OP's problem.

Rent a private jet and dictate what the crew should and shouldn't wear. However, given the OP was travelling in Y, this is probably not an option. Therefore, drive your car across the country. You won't be bothered by the aftershave and sexuality choices of those who are there to make your journey more pleasant.

Seriously, what's next. Don't like someone's haircut?

 

[ashleyn]

Mind if I share?

A bucket for me please

 

[ashleyn]

Here's a simple solution to the OP's problem.

Rent a private jet and dictate what the crew should and shouldn't wear. However, given the OP was travelling in Y, this is probably not an option. Therefore, drive your car across the country. You won't be bothered by the aftershave and sexuality choices of those who are there to make your journey more pleasant.

Seriously, what's next. Don't like someone's haircut?

I find a few pre flight drinks in the QP followed by your typical airline meal leads to a bit of flatulence. Not sure if that odeur is to the OP's liking but never had any complaints.

 

[thommo50]

OMG some of you people are unbelievable. Not once did I say I was offended by his sexuality. I couldn’t care less if he or she had 2 heads let alone their sexual preference. Since when is it offensive to call someone gay, why is it offensive to call someone gay when his speech and mannerisms are so obviously intended to give you that impression, you people that are shockedby it make it offensive, it’s just a natural course of life for some as far as I’m concerned, as it is for heterosexuals. My complaint was the strong after shave he was using, it actually gave me a headache being exposed to it for too long. MaybeI had an allergic reaction to it. The reference to gay and show pony was exactly what this male CSA was.

My other complaint was his snobbish and up himself attitude. Not to me but towards other passengers close by. Also if some of you people got off your high horse and were honest with yourselves you would know exactly what I’m talking about because if you flew as much as you say you do you would have come across the stereotype yourself. Geez

LOL I also get a laugh at people who call me homophobic for making a reference to the gay word. Lucky he was Australian, or am I not allowed to use that word?

 

[medhead]

You can stop them wearing the aftershave by marrying them and the giving them different aftershave as a present.


As for the smell police, living with someone who suffers regular migranes I am all too aware of the problems that smells can create. Not singling out between good or bad smells. But one whiff of the wrong smell/aftershave/perfume/wd40/wine/I could go on, can turn things from just functioning to vomiting and bed bound for days.

 

[ketsuzei]

This guy (and I use that term loosely)

Yeah, that just reeks of respect.

 

[Blackswan]

This is from someone who refers to Cabin Crew as "Trolley Dolley's", and other male flight attendants as "Petal" (your previous posts in other threads).

Perhaps extra fragrance was used to mask the stench of nearby pax.

 

[samh004]

OMG some of you people are unbelievable. Not once did I say I was offended by his sexuality. I couldn’t care less if he or she had 2 heads let alone their sexual preference. Since when is it offensive to call someone gay, why is it offensive to call someone gay when his speech and mannerisms are so obviously intended to give you that impression, you people that are shockedby it make it offensive, it’s just a natural course of life for some as far as I’m concerned, as it is for heterosexuals. My complaint was the strong after shave he was using, it actually gave me a headache being exposed to it for too long. MaybeI had an allergic reaction to it. The reference to gay and show pony was exactly what this male CSA was.

My other complaint was his snobbish and up himself attitude. Not to me but towards other passengers close by. Also if some of you people got off your high horse and were honest with yourselves you would know exactly what I’m talking about because if you flew as much as you say you do you would have come across the stereotype yourself. Geez

LOL I also get a laugh at people who call me homophobic for making a reference to the gay word. Lucky he was Australian, or am I not allowed to use that word?

I think what people have taken offence to is not that you thought he was gay, which was perhaps besides the point in the grand scheme of things anyway, but how you described him. You were very creative in your wording. You could have complained about his cologne and the fact he didn't seem to work without bringing his sexuality into the mix at all. Most would see that as an odd thing. That's perhaps the reason for the responses you have garnered.

 

[Hvr]

Hmmm ... to precis the OP:

The author flew on a service which was crewed by a relatively lazy guy who wore an aftershave which had a smell the authur found offensive.

With this, the question is asked:

" How do you stop male crew from wearing strong aftershave. ... "

Let them grow a beard?

Here's another thought. Given the crew would do at least a couple of legs together in a day and may even be together for a cycle of trips, is it possible that they agree that each person will have an easy trip with the others covering for them?

Done over a day/week etc this means everybody would have the chance to have a quiet trip, yet if they struck someone like the OP who only saw them once then they believe the crew member is bludging on their mates.

As for the aftershave, well we all think different things smell attractive, in this case the OP didn't like the aftershave. The crew member did so que sera sera.

That the OP used terms that many of us find offensive again shows we all place importance on different things.

Oh, and please pass the popcorn. There's the possibility of at least a kernel of truth in the OPs opening diatribe. Let's see if we can tease it out.

 

[get me outta here]

Personally, I would prefer that no one wore perfumes stronger than say a pleasant body lotion. I think it is a personal indulgence to think that others enjoy what to them may be an over powering perfume, especially in a constrained space where one cannot escape it. There is one I think called 'Angel', that to me is nauseous making.

 

[mannej]

To the OP, perhaps you should be looking at your post before looking to blame others for their reaction.

His sexual preference is not relevant full stop, there is absolutely no need to mention it. You are suggesting it as fact what his preference is, but you are stereotyping based on his mannerisms.
You may deny that you were not offended by the man being "gay", but to me part of your disliking to him is based on his sexual preference (it is obvious in the OP). This is why others have taken issue with the first post.

 

[Daver6]

To the OP, perhaps you should be looking at your post before looking to blame others for their reaction.

His sexual preference is not relevant full stop, there is absolutely no need to mention it. You are suggesting it as fact what his preference is, but you are stereotyping based on his mannerisms.
You may deny that you were not offended by the man being "gay", but to me part of your disliking to him is based on his sexual preference (it is obvious in the OP). This is why others have taken issue with the first post.

This perfectly sums it up. His sexual preference has nothing to do with your original complaint. Why even mention it? Its about as relevant as his hair colour or shoes. Why didn't you point out his skin colour too? Because it has nothing to do with your gripe Mr OP. It is stereotyping that continues an undercurrent of racism and homophobia.

 

[JohnK]

Let's not jump at the comments of the OP.

I have been on flights where the person next to me wreaks of garlic. It gives me headaches. Other people stink from various undesirable odours. Too much perfume is another.

There are a lot of inconsiderate people in the world. Should I stop travelling?

 

[ketsuzei]

Should I stop travelling?

Yes please.

Oh, sorry, I thought you said "babbling".

 

[DC3]

I hadn't realised that aftershave was still around. Hasn't it been replaced with cologne-like products, that are sprayed onto the body, rather than those foul astringent alcohol based liquids that were more of a facial splash-on in days gone by?

Given a choice, I would prefer to deal with the aftershave/cologne rather than the passing crop-dusters.