Qantas Club Dress Standards...Stubbies, singlet and thongs....What the???

[blackcat20]

WHatever Qantas define, the fine folk of AFF are going to argue about edge cases. Or argue that Qantas are picking on the wrong group of people. How dare Qantas pick on thongs, how dare they pick on my people. They should pick on others, you know the ones that talk loud on phones. It's the way of AFF, choose rules that allow me in, and keep others out. Does that help? (Here's exactly why a high-class escort in thongs was refused entrance to the Qantas Lounge | Business Insider)

The problem with using that as a qualifier is that a lot of dressy shoes, including heels have a divider between the toes, and they arent thongs.

 

[roncritch]

A lot of popcorn required to read everyone's opinions on this matter but what does irk me most is the lack of COMMON SENSE when applying the dress codes.
Anyone with a logical mind cannot honestly say the the footwear worn by the celebrity as pictured does not fit within the INTENT of the dress codes.

Reading the article quoted by Basso shows where COMMON SENSE is not applied at a corporate level.

“Since yesterday the only discrepancy has been with customers wearing rubber and leather thongs which are no longer within the dress code guidelines.
“We appreciate this may have caused some frustration but we’re not in a position to flip-flop on the policy.” (I ask...why not...the decison might be wrong???)
And offering some further background, a spokesperson defined thongs as footwear with a piece that separates the big toe from the other toes. So yes, that would apply to Birkenstocks.........

It appears to me that decisions like this are made at internal meetings where ideas get thrown in the air and take up oxygen at the expense of proper consideration of reality.....but also, once decisions are made, there is an often irrational mindset not to backtrack at any cost.... even when it is to the detriment of the brand.

 

[maninblack]

We asked a scruffy Qantas Board member for his thoughts on the dress code.

 

[Milefest]

We asked a scruffy Qantas Board member for his thoughts on the dress code.

Too bad he probably hangs out in the CL.

 

[DC3]

... and quite an improvement on what some look like in the Lounge.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Please do not take this as a complaint. But surely I am entitled to an opinion and voice that opinion? I was young once too and my rebelling wearing yellow jeans and red jeans ended when I became an adult at 18 years of age. Seems it's taking todays generation a lot longer.

Absolutely you should be able to hold and voice an opinion. But what seems to have happened is that a vocal minority have kept firing off complaints to Qantas, so someone at Qantas decided to enforce the rules, to the point of deciding when a sandal is a sandal and when it is a thong. Given the lounge angels can't keep the access rules straight, what is the chances of them always making the right decision there!

So it is the right to impose one set of people's ideas on dress on another set that I disagree with - it just seem so judgemental over an issue which might irritate but doesn't physically affect you. It is all very difficult, as obviously there are many cases where people's opinions are imposed and probably rightly so (e.g. gun control). - a totally free society is an absolute contradiction.

I call the current generation the PeterPan generation

I had a chat to a lounge angel about the dress rules today and she thought it was all bizarre...

Also outlying ports are being discriminated against! Someone in Sydney can get dressed in whatever and front up to an international lounge and it is all OK. Someone in Canberra connecting to an International flight and wearing the same clothes will be denied entry to the Canberra Qantas lounge. I therefore propose an amendment to the rules that if you hold a same day international boarding pass, the rules do not apply

 

[Alanslegal]

Are these allowed?

 

[Alanslegal]

Or this?

 

[Milefest]

Are these allowed?

Not formal enough..

 

[Archphoto]

Had a colleague travel in his Crocs all over the world with me for several years; I felt they were a little too "casual" for the lounge - but that's only my opinion (plus I think they're tacky to boot!) He had no problems entering First Class Lounges at the time, but I have wondered since the implementation of the new dress standards, if he would be able to to today.

Funny, we all have opinions on the QP dress standards - I see similar at the local pub too: "No shirt, no shoes, no service!" At the end of the day, it's a QF club, their rules of entry are stipulated and whether we like it or not, they can deny entry based on those "standards". Sadly though, those standards aren't "standard" - as others have mentioned upthread, you can get into QP A in thongs, but not QP C; today it's fine, next week it's not. I get whiplash trying to keep up with it all!!

We seem to agree that QF has the right to dictate what is acceptable in their lounges, unfortunately, even QF isn't sure themselves what is appropriate and what is not - thongs? Rubber, leather, canvas? $2, $35, $2000? How do they decide which thongs are ok and which aren't?

KC's footwear seemed ok to me (not something I'd wear personally), they appeared to be leather (but maybe not) and she wasn't in her beachwear, but I guess "thongs are thongs" and no matter what price tag was attached upon purchase, it seems you aren't going to be dining in the QP anytime soon, if you choose to wear them.

The days of everyone dressing up to travel are long gone - the 50s are well and truly behind us, but I personally feel the need to be presentable when I travel (comfortable yes, slobbish no). Chinos/jeans with a polo shirt/casual dress shirt or white tee and a jacket are my preferred choice, along with shoes (not trainers/Crocs/thongs or those awful running skins shown upthread :shock. Am I overdressed? By 50s standards probably not, by today's "anything goes" standards - I'm pretty sure it's a resounding "Hell yeah!!!"

I do find it interesting that our casual culture is often linked to the climate (hot) yet here in Asia, the women dress well regardless as do the men (most times). It's rare I see them getting around in a Bintang/Singha/San Miguel singlet, boardies and thongs - that seems to be reserved for Aussies, no matter where in the world they are.

Casual is cool and perfectly acceptable in this day and age - I'm happy to chill out as much as the next person. But we shouldn't expect to be allowed entry to places that have a dress code if we're wearing a singlet, footy shorts and thongs. (There's a time and place for everything - footy shorts belong on the field during the game, not in a pub, a restaurant or heaven forbid the QF/CX/AA lounge. )

If people had a little more decorum in the way they dress when heading out somewhere special (and travel to an airline lounge is probably in that class of "somewhere special"), the denied entry rants that make the headlines would probably be halved in a week.

But I guess if that were the case, all those "exciting" NoNews stories and discussions on forums would dry up - and that would be kind of boring now that I come think of it . . . . . . . . :mrgreen:

 

[MEL_Traveller]

H He had no problems entering First Class Lounges at the time, but I have wondered since the implementation of the new dress standards, if he would be able to to today.

No problems with entry because strangely, the rules don't apply to international First (or business) lounges.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The story of Kate Ceberano made the Project tonight - one of the first stories. The panel said they can't understand why she was denied entry. One panel member pointed out the inconsistency of the policy across different lounges.

 

[Archphoto]

No problems with entry because strangely, the rules don't apply to international First (or business) lounges.

True, however as we were based in ADL, I'm thinking the domestic lounge may have something else to say, if deemed inappropriate. In any case, compared to the "thongs" KC was wearing, these things are truly hideous!!

 

[maninblack]

Hmm. Mrs maninblack pointed out to me that she has seen members of sporting teams in the Qantas clubs in recent weeks wearing...track suits. I now recall seeing several AIS coaches and sports people in the lounge last week in sports shorts and sports tops as well as track suits. Didn't think much of it at the time but seems to be more inconsistency in the application of the very important rules.

 

[defurax]

Hmm. Mrs maninblack pointed out to me that she has seen members of sporting teams in the Qantas clubs in recent weeks wearing...track suits. I now recall seeing several AIS coaches and sports people in the lounge last week in sports shorts and sports tops as well as track suits. Didn't think much of it at the time but seems to be more inconsistency in the application of the very important rules.

Could be considered a uniform.

 

[maninblack]

Could be considered a uniform.

A tracksuit is a tracksuit, it's not smart casual or work clothes, it's clearly outside of the guidelines as are sports shorts.

Qantas need to form a lounge attire sub committee headed up by their style merchants, Todd, Neil, Miranda, Morrissey, Martin Grant and Marc Newson to develop a new contemporary lounge policy.

 

[defurax]

A tracksuit is a tracksuit, it's not smart casual or work clothes, it's clearly outside of the guidelines as are sports shorts.

The guidelines say nothing about 'work', just uniform.

"Clean high Vis and other uniforms are permitted." https://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/qantas-club-dress-guidelines/global/en

 

[maninblack]

The guidelines say nothing about 'work', just uniform.

"Clean high Vis and other uniforms are permitted." https://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/qantas-club-dress-guidelines/global/en

A tracksuit is still a tracksuit and is banned. (Apparently) anything can be a uniform.

 

[RooFlyer]

John you seem a really nice guy, so I am not having a go at you about this.

For me it is not about the rules, which I probably adhere to anyway. It is about intolerance - there doesn't seem to be much of a difference to me between people who aren't prepared to tolerate variations in dress and people who hate people because they have a different colour skin or worship in a different way.
!

Oh, come on! You aren't really equating a dress code in a non public access 'club' with racism or religious intolerance, surely?

Surely?

You seem rather intolerant of some peoples ( and. qantas') opinions on the dress code, BTW.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Oh, come on! You aren't really equating a dress code in a non public access 'club' with racism or religious intolerance, surely?

Surely?

You seem rather intolerant of some peoples ( and. qantas') opinions on the dress code, BTW.

total parallels yes. It is not the opinions but the fact that one set of people look down on another set of people just because they are different to them. Isn't that the essence of all racism and religious intolerance?

I actually couldn't care either way about the guidelines, but Iam totally intolerant of the intolerance

Anyway. Mr FM has said I am not allowed to argue anymore - he totally agrees with me, but says it is childish to argue on social media, so I am out of this