Qantas Club Dress Standards...Stubbies, singlet and thongs....What the???

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It seems pretty simple to me. Just look somewhere else.
And you look away from one hideous outfit and see another. Extremely difficult to walk with eyes looking down or closed.

I am really having great difficulty understanding why it's so difficult to adhere to some very simple dress standards. It's not like the rules are complex where a degree in Astrophysics is required is it?
 

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And you look away from one hideous outfit and see another. Extremely difficult to walk with eyes looking down or closed.

I am really having great difficulty understanding why it's so difficult to adhere to some very simple dress standards. It's not like the rules are complex where a degree in Astrophysics is required is it?


Yes, John, it's not difficult to adhere to simple dress standards, but there will always be those who want to challenge those simple rules and push the boundaries. Maybe they get a kick out of a potential looming confrontation.
 

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And you look away from one hideous outfit and see another. Extremely difficult to walk with eyes looking down or closed.

I am really having great difficulty understanding why it's so difficult to adhere to some very simple dress standards. It's not like the rules are complex where a degree in Astrophysics is required is it?

Just because you find an outfit "hideous" doesnt mean that others do, or that it is in fact hideous at all. We all have different tastes.

The problem with the footwear rule is that it isnt that clear. Rubber thongs are out obviously, but there is room for error in terms of sandals. Theyve said no "leather thongs" but are they talking Birkinstock style shoes, or all thong-styled sandals (as per the image I posted, which are clearly not beach wear)?
 
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And you look away from one hideous outfit and see another. Extremely difficult to walk with eyes looking down or closed.

I am really having great difficulty understanding why it's so difficult to adhere to some very simple dress standards. It's not like the rules are complex where a degree in Astrophysics is required is it?
John you seem a really nice guy, so I am not having a go at you about this.

For me it is not about the rules, which I probably adhere to anyway. It is about intolerance - there doesn't seem to be much of a difference to me between people who aren't prepared to tolerate variations in dress and people who hate people because they have a different colour skin or worship in a different way.

If the people are rowdy or smelly or really impact on your amenity fine, but just don't look right - surely it is possible to look the other way and practise a degree of tolerance. I totally despair sometimes of human beings ability to live in harmony!
 

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Ju.... However I will defend to the death the right of other people to wear what they want....

To the death? Really? I now have this image of FM all decked out in her Braveheart gear, screaming you can never take our thongs!!!!

BTW, I don't own thongs but I have been guilty of wearing crocs in the lounge but AFF cured me of that.
 

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Yes, John, it's not difficult to adhere to simple dress standards, but there will always be those who want to challenge those simple rules and push the boundaries. Maybe they get a kick out of a potential looming confrontation.

I think this is one of the issues... you personally see it as a person 'pushing the boundaries'... almost like it is a deliberate and conscious act that they set out at the beginning of the day to challenge 'authority'. And you want to control them/punish them for taking that stance.

The reality, I suspect, is entirely different. Someone wakes up in the morning, gets dressed for whatever they need to do that day, perhaps even dressing for comfort, and makes their way to the airport. No 'challenge' mentality. No lycra-wearing-helicopter-parent-hippie-greenie agenda. Just, you know, 'I'm flying to Sydney today'.

Dress code doesn't worry First class passengers and platinums when they're in the First class lounge, why would it matter when you're in the qantas club?
 

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Looking at FMs sandal, obviously it is not a thong, I wonder if I took a Velcro cable strap that I can loop from the sides and behind the heel, thus turning a thong into a sandal?

If only Ms Ceberano thought of this yesterday.
 

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Was in new PER lounge last week, first time in yonks, didn't see any hi viz but groups of guys in there looked so, so scruffy.
 

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It comes down to how the Lounge staff enforce the dress code that will see who gets turned away. Some lounges may be very lax at enforcing these things. Hopefully the dress standards continue to be applied.
 

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Luckily it isn't up to us to decide, the policy states:
Our lounge is a place where you can sit back and relax before your flight. To ensure an enjoyable experience for everyone, please follow our smart casual dress guidelines when entering our Adelaide, Brisbane, Canberra, Melbourne, Perth and Sydney Qantas Clubs or Business Lounges. Our team will decline entry if some items of clothing are too casual or inappropriate. This includes bare feet, thongs, beachwear and clothing with offensive images or slogans. Eligible visitors wearing uniforms are still permitted access, and this includes hi-vis work wear. See the terms and conditions of lounge access for more information.

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Our lounges are a place where you can sit back and relax before your flight.

To ensure an enjoyable experience when you're visiting our domestic Qantas Clubs and Business Lounges in Adelaide, Brisbane, Canberra, Melbourne, Perth and Sydney, we ask that you follow our smart casual dress guidelines.

Our team will decline entry if some items of clothing are too casual or inappropriate. This includes, but is not limited to:

Thongs and bare feet
Head to toe gym wear
Beachwear (including board shorts)
Sleepwear (including UGG Boots and slippers)
Clothing featuring offensive images or slogans
Revealing, unclean or torn clothing
Clean high Vis and other uniforms are permitted.

These guidelines are intended to create an environment that everyone can enjoy and we look forward to welcoming you into our lounges soon.
 
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Hi Boris, yeah sometimes it's just better to go along with what they want, especially if there's an easy fix. I just found the tracksuit pants aspect of it interesting/disappointing as I was planning on wearing the same thing (with a polo shirt) so I'd have one less thing to worry about (belt) when going through security screening.

I wear the track pants for the exact reason you describe. I have now found a belt with a plastic buckle at Kathmandu after YEARS of searching for a sturdy enough one.
 

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I wear the track pants for the exact reason you describe. I have now found a belt with a plastic buckle at Kathmandu after YEARS of searching for a sturdy enough one.

Try those police/military equipment type stores. My friends husband is in the military and I know he has belts with plastic instead of metal.
 

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Try those police/military equipment type stores. My friends husband is in the military and I know he has belts with plastic instead of metal.

Yep , I live in a military town.
They're all either too wide or too weak. The Kathmandu one is a beauty.
 

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I don't care if I get bounced because they deem my dress standard fails - fine. I'm sure we've all fallen foul of dress codes somewhere/sometime.

What does amuse me is the self styled guardians of dress standards/moral codes/insert personal belief. How do you people not die of complete bitterness just walking down the street?
 
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A psychologists perspective - jumping through hoops in the hope of other's approval is a conditional based love. Let people be who they are. Cultures, customs, traditions and more importantly the way that we feel define and assist in moulding who we become, what we perceive as 'right' and 'wrong'. Egos - I know better! Social codification - do this or else! In this case you get kicked out lol An opportunity to mingle and perhaps strike up a conversation with someone else outside the hallowed doors of some QF lounge. If you want to wrestle every single rascal/problem/issue/drama trauma to the ground and kill it, go right ahead and experience those aspects that are lower on the emotional scale. It will get you every time. Find others like you and establish a mutual self appreciation society! You risk becoming rigid in your thinking and feelings creating a focus and momentum travelling faster than any passenger airliner. Best to stand out of the way, or get what you deserve. Be authentic to yourself, you can control the way you feel when you believe in yourself. But what would I know? Soul education with a pocket full of pringles, I'm happy and embrace all the other feelings too, unconditionally. Do what you want! I don't police others, I'd rather hear their story. It's a choice - controlling others will affect your well being.
 

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When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’


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The problem with the footwear rule is that it isnt that clear. Rubber thongs are out obviously, but there is room for error in terms of sandals. Theyve said no "leather thongs" but are they talking Birkinstock style shoes, or all thong-styled sandals (as per the image I posted, which are clearly not beach wear)?
WHatever Qantas define, the fine folk of AFF are going to argue about edge cases. Or argue that Qantas are picking on the wrong group of people. How dare Qantas pick on thongs, how dare they pick on my people. They should pick on others, you know the ones that talk loud on phones. It's the way of AFF, choose rules that allow me in, and keep others out.
And offering some further background, a spokesperson defined thongs as footwear with a piece that separates the big toe from the other toes. So yes, that would apply to Birkenstocks and definitely Havaianas.
Does that help? (Here's exactly why a high-class escort in thongs was refused entrance to the Qantas Lounge | Business Insider)
 

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John you seem a really nice guy, so I am not having a go at you about this.

For me it is not about the rules, which I probably adhere to anyway. It is about intolerance - there doesn't seem to be much of a difference to me between people who aren't prepared to tolerate variations in dress and people who hate people because they have a different colour skin or worship in a different way.

If the people are rowdy or smelly or really impact on your amenity fine, but just don't look right - surely it is possible to look the other way and practise a degree of tolerance. I totally despair sometimes of human beings ability to live in harmony!
Human beings cannot live in harmony. More so today as people are entirely focussed on their own miserable existence and ignore others around them.

It is becoming quite common for adult males to walk around topless with their t-shirt in their hands. They do this on public transport. They do this in shopping centres and from what I have seen on internet do it in lounges as well. Sorry but that's not on. It is disgusting. It lacks respect.

Females are not much better but let's not go there because I am getting criticised for calling hideous dress sense 'Hideous'. Ripped jeans. Loose singlets and no bra. Sorry there are kids around. I saw a young lass in Logan Village Woolworths on the weekend. Skimpy top and the highest cut shorts I have seen in a long time. Why you ask? She had 2 awful matching tattoos (looked like tribal tattoo) crescent shaped just under her buttocks as well as numerous other tattoos. I should have taken a photo. I could only shake my head. I certainly hope she is not allowed to enter a Qantas lounge dressed in that way.

People are too noisy. No I don't want to listen to the cr@p you want to listen to on Youtube. Seriously I am not interested. It annoys the hell out of me especially if I cannot go anywhere to avoid you. I also don't want to listen to your life story. Just because you're bored on the train doesn't mean you have to call everyone in your address book.

Please do not take this as a complaint. But surely I am entitled to an opinion and voice that opinion? I was young once too and my rebelling wearing yellow jeans and red jeans ended when I became an adult at 18 years of age. Seems it's taking todays generation a lot longer.
 
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