Qantas cancels 15 Dreamliner orders

[pauly7]

Given Jetstars use of a330/40s I cant see why these can not be used by QF domestically (340 is a bit bigger than the 767?)

Given use of the a380, delays in the 787 and aging of the 767 (and lack of use of 777) and also the fact the QF maintains the a330-40 fleet of jetstar one would think consolidation of the fleet (phase out all boeings but the 737-800s) would make sense...

Think you are a bit confused. Neither JQ or QF operate the A340...

The QF group only operates the A330 series (200/300's) and currently does use the A330 domestically on the West Coast runs.

 

[Harpoon]

I wonder if the A350XWB will see similar delays...

Anyone know if QF has considered this new model?

 

[NM]

I wonder if the A350XWB will see similar delays...

Quite likely given the significant jump in technology and drive to remove as much weight as possible similar to what Boeing is experiencing with the 787.

Anyone know if QF has considered this new model?

I think it is safe to say that Qantas is not currently considering the A350. They made their decision quite some time back to commit to the 787 instead, and they remain (publicly) committed to the 787.

 

[Flying Fox]

Anyone know if QF has considered this new model?

Whilst I have no concrete evidence, I'm sure that QF has/is considering it even if it is for bolstering their negotiating position with Boeing when canceling or delaying aircraft.

 

[harvyk]

With GFC, it would appear the correct course of action is to delay some 788s (and/or convert to 789s), get the 380s to sub for the 744s and then dispose excess 744s and/or use them on main trunk routes domestic +/- NZ routes (AKL) near the end of their lifespan (like the 743s were)

I hope your right about getting the B744's back on the TT + SYD \ MEL - PER routes. I used to love flying to PER \ AKL on the B743's ( \ B744's sometimes). The domestic A332's just don't cut it (no AVOD) and flying TT on a B737 doesn't seem right.

I know I for one am not looking forward to the day that QF remove the final B747 (my favourite a/c, I even prefer it over the A380 although it is a close one) from their fleet.

I personally see the B787 as the plane that could. We have being hearing so much about it and it's plans that it almost now sound like vapourware...

 

[v8Statesman]

I know I for one am not looking forward to the day that QF remove the final B747 (my favourite a/c, I even prefer it over the A380 although it is a close one) from their fleet.

My favorite is the ole faithful 767. There is just something about that bird that I love. I shakes, it rattles. Its amasing it still flys, but I love it.

 

[Cyclogenesis]

Think you are a bit confused. Neither JQ or QF operate the A340...

The QF group only operates the A330 series (200/300's) and currently does use the A330 domestically on the West Coast runs.

Kewl... I though Jetstar ran a340s on the Asian routes...

 

[Harpoon]

The A330's with 2 engines are the Jetstar international planes.

The A340's are easily identifiable with 4 engines - which Jetstar doesn't have.

 

[Cyclogenesis]

so all ETOPS for JS.. Thanks for clearing that up...
so
what is the maximum range for any operational aircraft with twin engines?

 

[Harpoon]

so all ETOPS for JS.. Thanks for clearing that up...
so
what is the maximum range for any operational aircraft with twin engines?

I cant remember the exact rules for etops but arent there some exceptions and stuff?

As for the maximum range.... as long as its got enough fuel! A 777-200LR set the world record for a passenger aircraft a year or so ago when it flew basically 3/4 round the world non-stop. 22 hours and 42 mins from hong kong to london - the long way over the USA

 

[v8Statesman]

what is the maximum range for any operational aircraft with twin engines?

From Wilipedia re A330-200

Typical range with 253 passengers in a three-class configuration is 12,500 km (6,750 nautical miles).

 

[straitman]

The A330's with 2 engines are the Jetstar international planes.

The A340's are easily identifiable with 4 engines - which Jetstar doesn't have.

Other than that subtle difference, they are essentially the same aircraft.

 

[Evan]

I cant remember the exact rules for etops but arent there some exceptions and stuff?

As for the maximum range.... as long as its got enough fuel! A 777-200LR set the world record for a passenger aircraft a year or so ago when it flew basically 3/4 round the world non-stop. 22 hours and 42 mins from hong kong to london - the long way over the USA

Yes a twin is still ETOPS limited to a number of minutes, this is both dependent on the plane and the operator. A 4 engines aircraft has no such restrictions over water. Is this relevant.... well not really since about the only routes that travel so far over water not near land are from Australia to South Africa and to South America, and from South America to Europe ?? Anyway its not a lot of flights, and VA is flying to JNB can still do it on a 777 but with some detour miles closer to land.

 

[straitman]

The attached is a fairly succinct explanation of ETOPS. Note the comment that ETOPS has nothing to do with water.

The is more to it but this explains it sufficiently for the context of this discussion. I believe that 207 min ETOPS is the normal maximum standard.

 

[Cyclogenesis]

Thanks, I know one of the products that was derived from my forecasts that I produced when I worked in the national aviation met centre at BoM was used for ETOPS... had to do with cloud cover at FL300-FL400

It was derived from the significant weather charts I produced over Australia/SE asia/NZ/Indian ocean (Icing/Storms/Clear air turbulence hazard maps, dont do it any more, moved into wx research)

 

[straitman]

For those who have little faith in news.com.au here is some more detail from what I rate as a considerably more reliable aviation source. Aviation Week & Space Technology.