Qantas 2019-20 annual result: reading between the lines

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QF has announced its annual result for 2019-20:


Yes, it is way more profitable than VA (the latter usually incurs losses), but there are some headwiinds.

Reading between the lines, my 'take outs' are:

1. Don't bet on JQ continuing 'for ever' with domestic operations in NZ - it's unprofitable.

2. JetstarAsia (3K) doesn't have its profitability or losses identified in the above but the comment about increased taxes and charges at SIN is a negative, although probably this operation is more strategically important than domestic NZ.

3. With a quick read, no mention as to how the QF domestic fleet (especially many of the B738s) continues to age. Good maintenance is the key but some of these aircraft are 17 years old. That by itself might not be a concern, but the lack of orders for replacement aircraft means that Alan Joyce's boasting about how 'net debt is below target' is open to questions. I assume as with most transport equipment, the costs of maintaining aircraft rise as they age, and older aircraft typically are less fuel efficient than newly introduced models.

4. Years ago transPacific flights from Oz to USA were a huge moneyspinner for QF but for at least three years they've been unprofitable. Will we see some further seating capacity cuts as more B789s arrive?

5. QFi boasts that its international seat load factors have risen by two per cent to 86 per cent and says performance in the second half of 2019-20 (i.e. to 30 June 2019) improved, but my sources inform me that international leisure bookings out of Australia are poor looking forward. Business travel may also not be robust: it isn't domestically. So even though some competitors are reducing capacity, and QF suggests fares 'have adjusted to higher fuel prices', it's an unconvincing argument. And on top of that mainland Chinese tourism to Australia just isn't rising at the rate it was one or especially two years ago, and may shortly begin to decline year-on-year. While QF has only a minor share of Oz - mainland China capacity, Joyce is on record saying that on average, a mainland Chinese tourist takes travels on two to three flights domestically within Australia, so any reduction will hit QF.

6. Those I know who travel for business domestically tell me that they detect no rise in corporate tarvel since the Federal election, perhaps a continuing small decline (at best.) So not rosy.

7. Despite the media release about three 'Project Sunrise' test flights from JFK or LHR to SYD, Joyce comments briefly that this project has to stack up financially. That's true for any business (unless it's a promotional 'loss leader') but there's no guarantee it will occur. Some cynics might suggest it's been great publicity for this second rate airline, but not an attractive proposition for the bottom line.

8. While rarely if ever mentioned by airline top brass, the continuing, frequent delays into and out of MEL and SYD airports must be a concern. No doubt airlines budget for a certain amount of holding and departure delays but punctuality performance has become worse for all the four major carriers domestically, and our two major airports (and congested airspace around them( are part of the reason. This can't be assisting QF (or VA) in keeping a lid on fuel costs.

9. The decline in the A$, on balance, is a negative.

Readng the detailed presentation, there's further:


10. The 'operating margin' for QFi has declined in 2019-20 to 3.8 per cent, a quarter of domestic (12.1 per cent) and a drop from last year's 5.7 per cent. QFi may drop further. Will it start to incur losses again?


11.In this supplementary document, the QF unit cost - cents per kilometre in operating costs - is disclosed as increasing by 8.4 per cent, largely to do with fuel. Nonetheless that's way ahead of inflation (c.1.3 per cent).

12. QF Group aircraft totalled 314 as at 30 June 2019. Then only changes were scrapping of three B744s, addition of three B789s, plus (for JQ) one A320 (lease) for 3K. So (as noted above) the fleet is ageing, and there's no orders IIRC placed yet for new domestic aircraft. Smacks of insufficient capital being spent to replace key assets.
 
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My take:

Sydney International Lounge Upgrade - won't happen in FY20.
Project Sunrise - big potential for it to be scrapped/rebranded with B787 alternatives.
Pinning trans-pac turnaround on AA JV.
Massive hits on fuel costs however international prices are roughly 60% of those from Aug 2012 to Aug 2014.

Regards,

BD
 
My take:...

Project Sunrise - big potential for it to be scrapped/rebranded with B787 alternatives...

This is also mentioned in the detailed Powerpoint presentation released to the ASX.

It's preparatory to call 'Project Sunrise' a dead duck but some warning signs are present.
 
Don't see sign of Sunrise being cancelled. Planning continues, decision point has slipped a month or two.

Agree the comment on Jetstar NZ is fairly specific - I wonder if there is a difference between the jets and props.

They have always had very limited commentary on Jetstar Asia and I'm not sure it's ever had anything more than operating profit (ie. Positive EBIT). Remember a local shareholder owns 51%, albeit be interesting to see how much debt the business has given the losses over the years.
Growth wise the combined Scoot/Tiger is now at 29 319/320/320neo, 20 788/789s versus Jetstar Asia at 18 320s and I don't think Jetstar has added aircraft for a while.

Somewhat surprised at the announced speed of the A380 refurb.
The first one VH-OQK has been in Dresden since 16-July and back end September (so 2.5 months), yet the next 3 will be done in under a month each.

Net debt needs to be below target as QF needs to ramp up the Capex spend in coming years. At least they now have the profit to do it.

QAN down 0.5% in early trade despite the dividend and buybacks
 
Somewhat surprised at the announced speed of the A380 refurb.
The first one VH-OQK has been in Dresden since 16-July and back end September (so 2.5 months), yet the next 3 will be done in under a month each.

Any idea how many will be complete by the end of the year?
 
Any idea how many will be complete by the end of the year?
The ExecTraveller article suggests 4 (OQK by end September, then 3 others by end December), though the QF release only mentions the first one
 
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QAN (the ASX code) is now up 18 cents as at 1315 hours. Buybacks can be popular with investors.

Time will tell, but I wonder with all the possible downside suggested in my starting post whether some are being a little optimistic. For instance I'd have expected the increased refunds from tax returns to be giving a little lift to discretionary items like airline leisure travel but so far no sign of that.
 
Well I guess they made 60 odd million $ just from last year's bonus that they didn't actually pay to the staff. And that went down so well that they haven't offered anything this year.

But, staff can have some 'staff travel'....which mostly expires before it can be used, and which you'll never actually be able to use anyway. If it's smoke and mirrors for the staff, I expect that it is for everyone else too....except that buying back shares is actually money directly into someone's pocket, is it not?
 
My take on JQ regional is the withdrawal of the Q300 services. The A320 services seem to be doing OK and support QF international passengers but with the QF/NZ codeshare agreement I think the Q300 will be withdrawn as they are too costly to run (IIRC they are actually Australian pilots so there is a high cost base).
I am still a big doubter over Project Sunrise too risky for a uncertainty over the cost of fuel.
 
I am still a big doubter over Project Sunrise too risky for a uncertainty over the cost of fuel.

I expect that it will happen. And also be the excuse for a large reduction in other services. A little down the road when it isn't working...I don' t know what position you retreat to.

I was looking at fares with SQ a little while back, and it was cheaper to fly PE on their direct New York service than it was to take the indirect via Frankfurt. There were lots of seats available direct too. I'm sure those flights are fine in J, but it seemed that people didn't agree further back.

It was only a snapshot, I know. But, it reflects my purchase feelings.
 
Earlier I omitted that QF blamed part of its profit decline by operating the B789s concurrently with the remaining B744s, stating that additional costs were incurred.

That's rational in one sense, but on the other hand, it was always a known factor so it's a little bit rich to blame it. The only solution would have been to have more B789s arrive more quickly.
 
I expect that it will happen. And also be the excuse for a large reduction in other services. A little down the road when it isn't working...I don' t know what position you retreat to...

Are you surmising it'll merely be capacity reductions (a B789 "substituting" for an A388 as seen with QF9/QF10), or are you adding frequency reductions and/or selective route abolition onto the list?
 
buying back shares is actually money directly into someone's pocket, is it not?

3 ways of getting money out of a company.
Spend it
Dividend it
Share buyback it

The taxation treatment is different as a share buyback is classed as a capital return, while dividend is income. So potentially a share buyback costs less in tax.
Essentially all of the profit is to be distributed in dividends or share buybacks.

If you look at the total number of available seats, the airline is not necessarily growing (total seats flown). Its just redeploying seats into new routes

Project sunrise is just to keep the customers looking elsewhere and not on the fact that the airline is not growing.
 
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The long report in 'The Australian' business section this morning says the (average) airfare charged by QF rose by 5.3 per cent during the year.

With Australian inflation at about 1.3 per cent per annum, any business that increases its cost to consumers (in this case travellers) at four times CPI either must be very confident or have a special product. QF has neither. Its J product overall is arguably inferior to VA and I can't see sufficient product differentiation in Y (domestically) to warrant a price hike of this amount. Sure, it's an 'average' and individual effect will vary.

No wonder demand for air travel domestically has fallen.
 
or have a special product. QF has neither.

Of course Qantas has a special product. You are looking at the wrong product. It is not the onboard product, the customers service etc that is the product. It is Qantas Frequent Flyer (points for the punters, tiers for the high flyers). It keeps them coming, has people hooked on it, and allows them to sustain price rises like it does. Without it the company would have more challenges.
 
The “779ER” is an interesting option - will definitely keep the A350 honest.

Lower density seating to use exclusively on sunrise routes until the 778 available, then it can be refitted with “denser” capacity to add capacity to replace the last few 744ERs and/or up-gauge routes that need capacity lift from 789. Might be too “low-density” in sunrise spec to use on “shorter”-haul routes (SIN/HKG/LAX etc) until refitted though which loses some flexibility for Qantas who are on record that they want the sunrise aircraft to be efficient when used elsewhere in the route network.
 
Lower density seating to use exclusively on sunrise routes until the 778 available, then it can be refitted with “denser” capacity to add capacity to replace the last few 744ERs and/or up-gauge routes that need capacity lift from 789.

744ERs are gone by end 2020.
If the 779 is ordered, when refitted it could be used to replace A380s which would likely start leaving end-2020s
 
Somewhat surprised at the announced speed of the A380 refurb.
The first one VH-OQK has been in Dresden since 16-July and back end September (so 2.5 months), yet the next 3 will be done in under a month each.

The first one needed some certification work completed as there are changes to the emergency exits. Once this work is done the others are all just carbon copies.
 
QF has announced its annual result for 2019-20:


Yes, it is way more profitable than VA (the latter usually incurs losses), but there are some headwiinds.

Reading between the lines, my 'take outs' are:

1. Don't bet on JQ continuing 'for ever' with domestic operations in NZ - it's unprofitable.

2. JetstarAsia (3K) doesn't have its profitability or losses identified in the above but the comment about increased taxes and charges at SIN is a negative, although probably this operation is more strategically important than domestic NZ.

3. With a quick read, no mention as to how the QF domestic fleet (especially many of the B738s) continues to age. Good maintenance is the key but some of these aircraft are 17 years old. That by itself might not be a concern, but the lack of orders for replacement aircraft means that Alan Joyce's boasting about how 'net debt is below target' is open to questions. I assume as with most transport equipment, the costs of maintaining aircraft rise as they age, and older aircraft typically are less fuel efficient than newly introduced models.

4. Years ago transPacific flights from Oz to USA were a huge moneyspinner for QF but for at least three years they've been unprofitable. Will we see some further seating capacity cuts as more B789s arrive?

5. QFi boasts that its international seat load factors have risen by two per cent to 86 per cent and says performance in the second half of 2019-20 (i.e. to 30 June 2019) improved, but my sources inform me that international leisure bookings out of Australia are poor looking forward. Business travel may also not be robust: it isn't domestically. So even though some competitors are reducing capacity, and QF suggests fares 'have adjusted to higher fuel prices', it's an unconvincing argument. And on top of that mainland Chinese tourism to Australia just isn't rising at the rate it was one or especially two years ago, and may shortly begin to decline year-on-year. While QF has only a minor share of Oz - mainland China capacity, Joyce is on record saying that on average, a mainland Chinese tourist takes travels on two to three flights domestically within Australia, so any reduction will hit QF.

6. Those I know who travel for business domestically tell me that they detect no rise in corporate tarvel since the Federal election, perhaps a continuing small decline (at best.) So not rosy.

7. Despite the media release about three 'Project Sunrise' test flights from JFK or LHR to SYD, Joyce comments briefly that this project has to stack up financially. That's true for any business (unless it's a promotional 'loss leader') but there's no guarantee it will occur. Some cynics might suggest it's been great publicity for this second rate airline, but not an attractive proposition for the bottom line.

8. While rarely if ever mentioned by airline top brass, the continuing, frequent delays into and out of MEL and SYD airports must be a concern. No doubt airlines budget for a certain amount of holding and departure delays but punctuality performance has become worse for all the four major carriers domestically, and our two major airports (and congested airspace around them( are part of the reason. This can't be assisting QF (or VA) in keeping a lid on fuel costs.

9. The decline in the A$, on balance, is a negative.

Readng the detailed presentation, there's further:


10. The 'operating margin' for QFi has declined in 2019-20 to 3.8 per cent, a quarter of domestic (12.1 per cent) and a drop from last year's 5.7 per cent. QFi may drop further. Will it start to incur losses again?


11.In this supplementary document, the QF unit cost - cents per kilometre in operating costs - is disclosed as increasing by 8.4 per cent, largely to do with fuel. Nonetheless that's way ahead of inflation (c.1.3 per cent).

12. QF Group aircraft totalled 314 as at 30 June 2019. Then only changes were scrapping of three B744s, addition of three B789s, plus (for JQ) one A320 (lease) for 3K. So (as noted above) the fleet is ageing, and there's no orders IIRC placed yet for new domestic aircraft. Smacks of insufficient capital being spent to replace key assets.


Second rate airline!!! Love to see your list of first rate ones. ANZ had double QFs profit decline. SQ CX and EK all struggling much more. As for the product Y is much of a muchness with competition PE very good and J depends on which plane. The new seats in the A330 and 789s are great. I fly QF partners a lot. Overall QF is quite good and certainly not second rate unless your bar is quite high.
 
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