Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[Pushka]

80% would seem to be unachievable if you consider that there is no vaccine for children under 12 who appear to make up nearly 15% of the total population.

They aren't included at all.

 

[mviy]

Front Page of the SMH - "Vaccine passports available in weeks" - "Australians will begin using an international vaccine passport within weeks to prove their immunisation status overseas and on their return as the Prime Minister flags home quarantine will be key to reopening borders."

Also on the Front page of The Age, but less prominent as "Vaccine passports ready in weeks"

 

[SYD]

They aren't included at all.

And why the WHO target is only > 60% total pop (with ~70% or better preferable). Which is is roughly equivalent to our 70%/80% of 16+ (No real surprises there).

 

[Comoman]

"Four in five over-16s are fully-vaccinated in UK
Four in five people aged over 16 in the UK have been fully-vaccinated against Covid-19, latest figures show.
A total of 43,535,098 second doses have now been administered since the vaccination rollout began nine months ago.
This is the equivalent of 80.1 per cent of all people aged 16 and over.
Figures also show that an estimated 88.8 per cent of people in the UK aged 16 and over have received one dose of a vaccine.
Two nations have given a first dose to more than nine in 10 people in this age group: Scotland (90.8 per cent) and Wales (90.6 per cent).
England is currently on 88.6 per cent and Northern Ireland is on 86.2 per cent."

Source: The Telegraph online today.

Good news for (hopefully) home quarantine from the UK to Aus.

 

[N860CR]

Still not seeing a need for home quarantine to be honest. Even with our current vaccination rates, we’re not seeing bodies lining the streets. This is being reaffirmed on a daily basis as a very mild virus. Once we hit 80% vaccination, who exactly is going to die?

The better question is, if we don’t fully reopen then, when will we?

 

[hb13]

Still not seeing a need for home quarantine to be honest. Even with our current vaccination rates, we’re not seeing bodies lining the streets. This is being reaffirmed on a daily basis as a very mild virus. Once we hit 80% vaccination, who exactly is going to die?

The better question is, if we don’t fully reopen then, when will we?

It's really REALLY SIMPLE. Once every single eligible person has had an opportunity to get both jabs, you allow completely free movement in and out of the country for the fully jabbed only (apart from a handful of dangerous places). It really is as simple as that.

Newsflash - it's never going to get safer than this (allowing freedom of travel for fully jabbed once your population is all jabbed). If it's not the vaccines, then what will it be? These vaccines are much more effective than hoped. There is plenty of data and evidence on their efficacy. If we don't rely on them to open up the country again, we never, ever will again and quarantine is here to stay.

It's one or the other. Open up COMPLETELY QUARANTINE FREE with vaccines - or stay locked away forever.

 

[drron]

Was watching SBS last night and they interviewed the Paralympics indigenous women who won a gold medal.She was in home quarantine in Sydney.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Still not seeing a need for home quarantine to be honest. Even with our current vaccination rates, we’re not seeing bodies lining the streets. This is being reaffirmed on a daily basis as a very mild virus. Once we hit 80% vaccination, who exactly is going to die?

The better question is, if we don’t fully reopen then, when will we?

You've mixed two concepts here.

We aren't seeing major ramifications because we have most of the country in lockdown.

The proposal is that we have no lockdowns, everyone is free to come and go unrestricted, and potential new variants that we don't know whether or not current vaccines work for.

If there is some new variant, there'll be a cohort demanding to know why the government hadn't set up the infrastructure to allow home Q... 'they've had months to do this', etc.

When we had caps and hotel Q people were demanding to allow home Q. Now home Q is on the table people are demanding we scrap that. If ever there's been a slippery slope, this is it.

 

[Pushka]

Was watching SBS last night and they interviewed the Paralympics indigenous women who won a gold medal.She was in home quarantine in Sydney.

And given the risk at med hotels, with a fully vaccinated at risk person, likely to have been tested multiple times in recent days, makes perfect sense.

Where is the sigh button here?

 

[hb13]

When we had caps and hotel Q people were demanding to allow home Q. Now home Q is on the table people are demanding we scrap that. If ever there's been a slippery slope, this is it.

So you just want to keep the country locked up forever? I guess within Australia you're not in the minority

 

[Pushka]

When we had caps and hotel Q people were demanding to allow home Q. Now home Q is on the table people are demanding we scrap that. If ever there's been a slippery slope, this is it.

Slippery slope started when people with actual covid were allowed to isolate at home.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Slippery slope started when people with actual covid were allowed to isolate at home.

hasnt that been the case since the start of the pandemic?

unless someone required hospital they were left to ride it out at home, outside of i believe QLD.

(interesting testimony from a texas senate hearing regarding treatment at home:

)

 

[Pushka]

hasnt that been the case since the start of the pandemic?

unless someone required hospital they were left to ride it out at home, outside of i believe QLD.

Nope. In SA, except for the very early days, when the baggage handlers thing broke out, all positives were put into hospital type facilities. Still are. We haven't had many positives.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Nope. In SA, except for the very early days, when the baggage handlers thing broke out, all positives were put into hospital type facilities. Still are. We haven't had many positives.

I would imagine that would become incredibly difficult to maintain logistically if you are keeping them all in negative pressure rooms etc. Like you get a day or two to have it be contained before that becomes impractical. Nice as a goal but across the board cant see it working, look at NZ, went from 0 to 100 in about 3 days.

 

[Pushka]

I would imagine that would become incredibly difficult to maintain logistically if you are keeping them all in negative pressure rooms etc. Like you get a day or two to have it be contained before that becomes impractical. Nice as a goal but across the board cant see it working, look at NZ, went from 0 to 100 in about 3 days.

Oh I agree. And then they'd hit the panic button if the med hotel had more than 30 positives. So what do they do? Shut down the numbers of overseas arrivals.

 

[louie-m]

Can someone explain to me how the new vaccine passport being discussed at the moment is different from the existing vaccine certificates we all have. Thanks.

 

[sydunipete]

Front Page of the SMH - "Vaccine passports available in weeks" - "Australians will begin using an international vaccine passport within weeks to prove their immunisation status overseas and on their return as the Prime Minister flags home quarantine will be key to reopening borders."

Also on the Front page of The Age, but less prominent as "Vaccine passports ready in weeks"

In the same article it said the federal government was pushing the states to develop their plans for home quarantine. What? I thought quarantine was a federal government responsibility (or at least it used to be). If states develop the plans we end up with multiple rules, multiple apps, multiple testing regimes etc. Here we go again with the feds absolving themselves of responsibility.

 

[OATEK]

Can someone explain to me how the new vaccine passport being discussed at the moment is different from the existing vaccine certificates we all have. Thanks.

The vaccine certificates exist in the Medicare app and can be displayed from the app, or downloaded into your digital wallet to be displayed.

The passport app as part of the NSW Service check-in app will have downloaded the details of your vaccination so that you only use one app at check in. The SNSW app will be in effect a digital wallet, which it already is as you can hold you drivers licence there as well. So everything in one place.

 

[justinbrett]

In the same article it said the federal government was pushing the states to develop their plans for home quarantine. What? I thought quarantine was a federal government responsibility (or at least it used to be). If states develop the plans we end up with multiple rules, multiple apps, multiple testing regimes etc. Here we go again with the feds absolving themselves of responsibility.

Because the states don't want to give up the power. They control the local police and health response.

I'm sure if the federal government came up with the rules a few certain states would block them.

 

[TiredOldFlyer]

They aren't included at all.

It seems as they are with the Dictator/Queen of Queensland.