Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[jrfsp]

Must…Fly has already answered, plus I added onto my original post.

As the system works when returning home from medium risk states, I should think the system can be used equally well when returning from overseas.


Getting people home from the airport needs to be worked out and hasn’t been discussed as far as I can see. For instance, if a family member collects by car, that person will have to isolate in the same house as well.

Maybe we'll be Zorbing home from the airport! Seems the safest way.....

 

[Princess Fiona]

I think the extent of home quarantine in a post-80% world will depend on a traffic light system of country covid risk. Yes it might seem a bit overboard and Australia will still probably insist on pre-flight PCR, etc. Australia will need time to get comfortable to how they use home quarantine and when no quarantine is required..

The UK is doing a similar thing right now with far more domestic covid cases than we have.
I’m imagining that we would adopt a traffic light system of risk of covid / VOC based on where the traveller has come from.
Green Negative PCR before entry
Amber Negative PCR and home quarantine
Red Negative PCR and Howard Springs for 14 days.

Some tweaks based on verified vaccination status.
None of this is compatible with meaningful international tourists to return but it would be a bridge to keep us open until Covid is endemic.

 

[jrfsp]

The UK is doing a similar thing right now with far more domestic covid cases than we have.
I’m imagining that we would adopt a traffic light system of risk of covid / VOC based on where the traveller has come from.
Green Negative PCR before entry
Amber Negative PCR and home quarantine
Red Negative PCR and Howard Springs for 14 days.

Some tweaks based on verified vaccination status.
None of this is compatible with meaningful international tourists to return but it would be a bridge to keep us open until Covid is endemic.

Indeed, I think the real issue will be how quickly the list will change, from an Australian travel perspective hopefully they'll group regions rather than having individual countries, ie "Western Europe".

It will also depend reciprocally where Australia ends up on other countries lists, which may not be as favourable as current.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

The UK is doing a similar thing right now with far more domestic covid cases than we have.
I’m imagining that we would adopt a traffic light system of risk of covid / VOC based on where the traveller has come from.
Green Negative PCR before entry
Amber Negative PCR and home quarantine
Red Negative PCR and Howard Springs for 14 days.

Some tweaks based on verified vaccination status.
None of this is compatible with meaningful international tourists to return but it would be a bridge to keep us open until Covid is endemic.

What is the UK concerned about to still need some quarantine for certain countries/situations?

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Carried away - move everything from 9727 to the vaccine begun thread?

 

[Princess Fiona]

Carried away - move everything from 9727 to the vaccine begun thread?

Sorted that

All recent Vaccine related posts have been moved to the appropriate thread.

Now as you were, predictions of international flights.

 

[JB expat]

what triggers falling into that requirement? being at an exposure site?

Post automatically merged: Sep 3, 2021

This is what justifies that deep an intrusion?

Why do you consider this an intrusion? We haven't been allowed to freely travel internationally in over a year - in my opinion, that is a much greater intrusion on my freedom than what I'd call "extreme check-in"

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Why do you consider this an intrusion? We haven't been allowed to freely travel internationally in over a year - in my opinion, that is a much greater intrusion on my freedom than what I'd call "extreme check-in"

Two wrongs dont make a right.

I just object to rules that do not pass the commonsense test or the applied equally test.

I absolutely do not agree with the way travel is restricted. I see no reason why you couldnt have double vacc'd people fly into NSW today, hell would even help the numbers.

 

[Port Power]

So Taxi drivers / uber drivers / bus drivers will only get to do one shift a fortnight?

just to clarify are you talking about vaccinated or unvaccinated people?

why should this not apply to anyone who was at a known exposure site?

I am only talking about monitored home quarantine when returning from interstate or overseas. Perhaps it could be used for any type of hot-spot home quarantine within the same state, but that isn’t the theme of this thread. Vaccinated or not currently is not relevant to home quarantine, so that is a question for the future.

I don’t know anything about drivers. I don’t know the relevance of your first sentence?

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Two wrongs dont make a right.

I just object to rules that do not pass the commonsense test or the applied equally test.

I absolutely do not agree with the way travel is restricted. I see no reason why you couldnt have double vacc'd people fly into NSW today, hell would even help the numbers.

Do you know why the UK have a traffic light system for quarantine?

 

[mviy]

National cabinet met and discussed amongst other things the home quarantine trial that will play an important role when travel restrictions begin to be eased

National Cabinet Statement | Prime Minister of Australia

www.pm.gov.au

They don’t intend to meet for two weeks so we probably won’t hear much about any progress on the trial for at least that long.

 

[N860CR]

Do you know why the UK have a traffic light system for quarantine?

To be honest, I don’t see the point. With tens of thousand cases (sorry positive test results) a day, what is the point? There just remains a largely unjustified stigma attached to people arriving from scary foreign places.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

but that isn’t the theme of this thread.

I don’t know anything about drivers. I don’t know the relevance of your first sentence?

well you were saying that anyone that lives with them must also quarantine, so assuming they did not have their car at the airport how do they get home without triggering the need for someone to quarantine

 

[hb13]

I think we need to stop saying "open international borders" when we reach 80% fully jabbed because all we are talking about is the possibility of 2 weeks home quarantine for some Australians when this point is reached.

To start off with, we have no plan before us about how this will be handled. Secondly, the PM said that all states need to pass 80% – and now he is saying some states could reopen separately? So which is it?

If somehow we did get to a stage at some point in 2022 that home quarantine is allowed, who will be allowed to do it? There is talk of a traffic light system where we have green/amber/red. What will a country need to do to be green? Have almost zero covid? I’m willing to bet most Aussies stuck in Europe and the UK will likely have to wait much longer before we can return and avoid hotel quarantine.

There is so much talk and no plan or actions, and we are potentially only 2 months away from being at the point where some states may reach 80%. Don’t airports and airlines need to plan? Is two months enough to put the infrastructure in place? This just goes to show the government isn’t actually serious about this and likely won’t follow through on their promises – although they aren’t really saying much anyway.

 

[Port Power]

well you were saying that anyone that lives with them must also quarantine, so assuming they did not have their car at the airport how do they get home without triggering the need for someone to quarantine

As I said, that is something that will have to be worked out. I am not a public health or logistics expert. I referred to a member of the family picking you up, not using public transport. Currently buses are used to take everyone to hotel quarantine, so something would have to be arranged if international arrivals are to quarantine at home.

 

[mviy]

Things don't suddenly stop when we reach 80% fully vaccinated. At that point they could set further targets for if we can get the rates even higher. Both carrots and sticks will be in place at that point.

Restrictions in place for international travel with 80% fully vaccinated could look quite different to if a higher rate of 85% or much less likely even closer to 90% can be reached. Vaccinations of 12-15 year olds and possibly younger will also help.

Ideally the R number would be below 1 even with international travel allowed.

 

[Ric]

The Federal Govetnment should define what sort of premises are considered suitable for "home quarantine". We live in an apartment and it's locked up when we travel. So when we come back, is our apartment "suitable"? Bearing in mind that there's thousands of apartment dwellers in Oz.
And for stranded Aussies overseas, what kind of vaccination proof are needed especially those from countries that "might" have plenty of fake vax certificates?
So many unanswered questions but I am sure that they will be answered in good time ..... hopefully!!!

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

As per the link of National Cabinet today posted by mviy - re quarantine:

National Cabinet received an update from Ms Jane Halton AO PSM on the Quarantine review, including the need for risk based approaches to quarantine and South Australian home quarantine trial. Both pieces of work will assist National Cabinet’s consideration of modifications to Australia’s quarantine systems at Phase B and C of the National Plan.

With the next National Cabinet in 2 weeks time and NSW getting to 80% in 7-8 weeks time, hopefully something more will be put into the public domain leading up to the next NatCab.

Given the way the PM has been talking recently, I think his expectation is everyone fully vaccinated (and presumably with unvaccinable kids) will be allowed to access home quarantine, regardless of type of dwelling (eg unit, townhouse, house).

 

[OATEK]

I think we need to stop saying "open international borders" when we reach 80% fully jabbed because all we are talking about is the possibility of 2 weeks home quarantine for some Australians when this point is reached.

To start off with, we have no plan before us about how this will be handled. Secondly, the PM said that all states need to pass 80% – and now he is saying some states could reopen separately? So which is it?

If somehow we did get to a stage at some point in 2022 that home quarantine is allowed, who will be allowed to do it? There is talk of a traffic light system where we have green/amber/red. What will a country need to do to be green? Have almost zero covid? I’m willing to bet most Aussies stuck in Europe and the UK will likely have to wait much longer before we can return and avoid hotel quarantine.

There is so much talk and no plan or actions, and we are potentially only 2 months away from being at the point where some states may reach 80%. Don’t airports and airlines need to plan? Is two months enough to put the infrastructure in place? This just goes to show the government isn’t actually serious about this and likely won’t follow through on their promises – although they aren’t really saying much anyway.

I know its hard not to feel negative after 18months of being locked out of international travel, but I personally have a lot more hope. Its 3 months (not 2) until travel overseas might open with the expiry of the current orders, and there is obviously progress being made. I have decided to be cup half full at this point.

 

[jb747]

Where are you going to get crew from, given that in this dystopia they’ll be permanently in quarantine?