Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

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Isn't it even more than that, that a large chunk of the people who don't want to get vaccinated legitimately don't care if they never go overseas?

The correct policy is: Screw them. I am entitled to leave. They can be vaccinated or not.

Spot on, plus I think there is a benefit from having a date for the borders open as a threat to the unvaccinated; with the prospect of a surge in cases from inbound travellers, they’ll head out and get vaccinated
 

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Spot on, plus I think there is a benefit from having a date for the borders open as a threat to the unvaccinated; with the prospect of a surge in cases from inbound travellers, they’ll head out and get vaccinated
How is a date of opening a threat to the unvaccinated?

I struggle to see that as any type of threat.

Well have no date, it's a %%.
 

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Isn't it even more than that, that a large chunk of the people who don't want to get vaccinated legitimately don't care if they never go overseas?

The correct policy is: Screw them. I am entitled to leave. They can be vaccinated or not.

Unfortunately I don't see how that *can* be the policy - unless there's some sort of fundamental shift.

We saw yesterday that all non-essential elective surgery has been curtailed (or is it cancelled?) in NSW. We can't have whole wards of nursing staff and doctors going in to isolation because someone who chooses not to get vaccinated also has to visit hospital.

We need the vaccination rates rather than the 'let it rip' that we saw in the USA, UK and Europe. No one seems to be having much fun there at the moment.
 

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but living in QLD we may very well be the last to be able to travel OS.Can't see us getting to 70% quickly and 80% will be an age.

Yes we (QLD) will be dead last. Hopefully our new CHO is less anti AZ vax than our current one that is half way out the door and can drive more uptake!
 

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Unfortunately I don't see how that *can* be the policy - unless there's some sort of fundamental shift.

We saw yesterday that all non-essential elective surgery has been curtailed (or is it cancelled?) in NSW. We can't have whole wards of nursing staff and doctors going in to isolation because someone who chooses not to get vaccinated also has to visit hospital.

We need the vaccination rates rather than the 'let it rip' that we saw in the USA, UK and Europe. No one seems to be having much fun there at the moment.

The fundamental shift and what it will take to get us there is so blindingly obvious and has been spelt out many many times, a fourth grader could honestly write up a better faster plan than this. If you stopped with the rhetorical pondering like our politicians I think you would also see this :)
 

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Isn't it even more than that, that a large chunk of the people who don't want to get vaccinated legitimately don't care if they never go overseas?

The correct policy is: Screw them. I am entitled to leave. They can be vaccinated or not.
The problem there is that it's the government and health service that has find hospital beds for the 60 plus cohort who refuse the get vaccinated.

There needs to be some discussion on incentives and that word actually appears in the roadmap - "incentives and other measures"
 

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Unfortunately I don't see how that *can* be the policy - unless there's some sort of fundamental shift.

We saw yesterday that all non-essential elective surgery has been curtailed (or is it cancelled?) in NSW. We can't have whole wards of nursing staff and doctors going in to isolation because someone who chooses not to get vaccinated also has to visit hospital.

We need the vaccination rates rather than the 'let it rip' that we saw in the USA, UK and Europe. No one seems to be having much fun there at the moment.
Life is fine here (UK) and we can come/go from the country as we please without issue.
 

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I was suggesting that should be the policy. I’m against % targets as once the vulnerable had a chance to get vaccinated the borders should reopen
Fair enough, but we're all vulnerable to the current Delta strain.

Sydney hospital cases of age demographics indicate this.
 

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The problem there is that it's the government and health service that has find hospital beds for the 60 plus cohort who refuse the get vaccinated.

There needs to be some discussion on incentives and that word actually appears in the roadmap - "incentives and other measures"

Other measure : Unvaccinated people who present for hospital treatment and have had chance to be vaccinated will pay a $5000 admission fee.
 

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Maybe they're setting the target at 80% in the hope it spurs people to at least get to 70%? And when we get to 70% they'll say the medical/economic advice says it's ok to have home Q.

I can't see another Christmas of Aussies not being allowed to return.
I was thinking exactly the same just now.
 

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Life is fine here (UK) and we can come/go from the country as we please without issue.
I appreciate you are making a point, but that's not really true. It depends on which country (for example, coming from Turkey requires 10 days of hotel quarantine, coming from France requires 10 days of home quarantine - and that can change for the worse at a few hours notice) and whichever country it is requires one or more tests. It's not quite I fancy a weekend in Paris, let's book and fly today and have a stress free trip, like it used to be.
 

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I was suggesting that should be the policy. I’m against % targets as once the vulnerable had a chance to get vaccinated the borders should reopen
As NSW stats on hospitalisation and ICU across age demographics shows - everyone is vulnerable
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Other measure : Unvaccinated people who present for hospital treatment and have had chance to be vaccinated will pay a $5000 admission fee.
We already have that - its called private hospital insurance.
 

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I appreciate you are making a point, but that's not really true. It depends on which country (for example, coming from Turkey requires 10 days of hotel quarantine, coming from France requires 10 days of home quarantine - and that can change for the worse at a few hours notice) and whichever country it is requires one or more tests. It's not quite I fancy a weekend in Paris, let's book and fly today and have a stress free trip, like it used to be.
However, for those fully vaccinated - it is a much rosier picture, bar a very small list of exceptions as you've just noted i.e. the red list and the amber plus list.

I know which I'd prefer.......
 

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However, for those fully vaccinated - it is a much rosier picture, bar a very small list of exceptions as you've just noted i.e. the red list and the amber plus list.

I know which I'd prefer.......
There's still the cost, hassle and stress of testing (what if you test positive whilst away for example). But I get your point and don't disagree.

And it's not so rosy (in the UK), if you were vaccinated in Australia....
 

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And it's not so rosy (in the UK), if you were vaccinated in Australia....
For now, yes! Although part of that could be to blame the AU Gov. In the EU and US where vaccination programmes are fairly solid, we're now accepting their vaccination records ;)
 

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Life is fine here (UK) and we can come/go from the country as we please without issue.
Also confused about what you think is happening in the U.K. Some people are getting sick but life is now moving on largely as normal. People are travelling, I went to a festival yesterday - not locked down and panicking like in Oz.
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I was thinking exactly the same just now.
There is zero chance aussies will be able to return for Christmas. It’s just not going to happen.
 

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We need the vaccination rates rather than the 'let it rip' that we saw in the USA, UK and Europe. No one seems to be having much fun there at the moment.
My son is just back in Dubai after a 4 week holiday in Europe and he had a lot of fun. He also reported life as pretty normal everywhere he went.
 
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Fair enough, but we're all vulnerable to the current Delta strain.

Sydney hospital cases of age demographics indicate this.
Not if you’re double vaccinated. And if people choose not the be double vaccinated after being given fair warning once availablity is there, that’s on them. Not my job to keep making personal sacrifices for people who choose not to protect themselves.
 

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