Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[drron]

Issue with that scenario is capacity. I don't know current HQ room numbers, but allowing Aussie's out, then on return quarantining, even just for 24 hours to negative test result would require maybe 10 time the HQ rooms. Do you need a booking prior to leaving, but every room would have to allow potentially 14 days just in case you test positive. Couldn't ever work.

Though it is what NZ does.Even puts out a list of yje hotels it uses for HQ.32 hotels all up.

The ultimate guide to New Zealand quarantine and managed isolation hotels

What should you expect when you touch down in New Zealand, bound for your temporary hotel home? It all depends on the luck of the draw

thespinoff.co.nz

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

in regards to the hopefully healthy canary in the Israeli coal mine

Israel eases restrictions following vaccine success

Shops, libraries and museums are now open to the public, following easing of Covid rules.

www.bbc.com

 

[oznflfan]

Well I doubt it'll suddenly snap from current restrictions to completely open borders to vaccinated travellers. There will have to be some kind of transition. They will want to see that gradually relaxing restrictions doesn't result in sudden big outbreaks and to get those stranded overseas home before letting people leave.

Another possibility is that even though it's not as accurate it's possible they could rely on temperature checks and rapid tests for vaccinated travellers and view that the few they miss is an acceptable risk. Those without a temperature and who test negative to the rapid test quarantine at home until the more reliable test result comes back negative 24 hours or so later with random spot checks to check for compliance.

That scenario is a lot more tenable. Question for me is I live remote, would I quarantine overnight on Perth/Melbourne/Sydney, or do I take another flight to my end destination and quarantine there?

Also, and I have stated this before (and yes acknowledge the challenges with liars with two passports), but Australia Government could state green countries with no quarantine, say Singapore & Malaysia, but yellow for say Indonesia and needing above test/mini quarantine.

We will have opening pains be it end of this year, middle of next year or the real pessimists saying 2025 opening.

Just got to hope the poor suckers who travel immediately upon release don't get trapped oversea's and Scomo & crew play funny buggers about getting back.

 

[Toula92122]

I wonder if the vaccinations start returning the world to normally how many of those 40,000 stranded Australians might change their mind about coming home?

 

[mviy]

I wonder if the vaccinations start returning the world to normally how many of those 40,000 stranded Australians might change their mind about coming home?

That is an interesting point. It depends on the reason. If they’ve lost their job and still can’t get new work overseas they will still want to come back.

 

[Must...Fly!]

That is an interesting point. It depends on the reason. If they’ve lost their job and still can’t get new work overseas they will still want to come back.

Probably offset by those departing, I'd suggest. Things will go back to normal in some professions a lot sooner than others.

 

[oznflfan]

Probably offset by those departing, I'd suggest. Things will go back to normal in some professions a lot sooner than others.

Full open Australian borders = thousands and thousands leaving semi or permanently, and little coming back (now they know they can return whenever they want).

 

[Must...Fly!]

Full open Australian borders = thousands and thousands leaving semi or permanently, and little coming back (now they know they can return whenever they want).

And immigration will kick back up again.

Which is concerning for housing affordability ...

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

They're not way way down, they are down, sure; but there's still a long way to go. To give an idea, it looks like pubs, restaurants etc. are not likely to be allowed to open (based on the current trajectory) until at least May. It's a very long lockdown here in the UK and still a long way to go.....

Data releasted publically now for the 17th when i made the statement, see below:

 

[Flashback]

Context is everything though, we've only just hit this week the level we were at the peak of the first wave, so as I said ..... they're not down *that* much, they're only down in comparison to when things started to shoot up again in December. As always, newspapers will only show what they want to try and paint a picture

 

[N860CR]

Another possibility is that even though it's not as accurate it's possible they could rely on temperature checks and rapid tests for vaccinated travellers and view that the few they miss is an acceptable risk. Those without a temperature and who test negative to the rapid test quarantine at home until the more reliable test result comes back negative 24 hours or so later with random spot checks to check for compliance.

I went to a brewery in marrickville last night and they did exactly this. Temp tested everyone on arrival. I’ll report back in a week if I have COVID. I’m fairly confident I’ll be ok

On a more serious note... we’ll realistically have to start letting people in without quarantine at some point to see if vaccination is even doing anything. There is little point in giving people a vaccination against a virus that doesn’t exist in the community unless we intent to introduce it. Might as well give everyone a yellow fever vac at the same time if we plan to continue hiding.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I went to a brewery in marrickville last night and they did exactly this. Temp tested everyone on arrival. I’ll report back in a week if I have COVID. I’m fairly confident I’ll be ok

On a more serious note... we’ll realistically have to start letting people in without quarantine at some point to see if vaccination is even doing anything. There is little point in giving people a vaccination against a virus that doesn’t exist in the community unless we intent to introduce it. Might as well give everyone a yellow fever vac at the same time if we plan to continue hiding.

Well we don't have to open borders for that reason, because there are other countries with lots of COVID-19 that will tell us exactly what we can expect. This data will only become more available & more accurate as time goes on.

 

[Toula92122]

And immigration will kick back up again.

Which is concerning for housing affordability ...

Don't think we need to be concerned about housing affordability. That horse has well and truly bolted.

 

[oznflfan]

AirNZ apparently banking on 1st April 2021 two way Aust - NZ travel. If we keep current NIL COVID can't wee why this wouldn't happen. Issue being something pops up somewhere and tourists are out of luck getting back or quarantining on return.

 

[dajop]

Issue being something pops up somewhere and tourists are out of luck getting back or quarantining on return.

Sounds like interstate travel at the moment

 

[ethernet]

Not soon. Airlines will be in trouble. More lock-downs will keep on coming via unplanned escapes. I feel like 'Herd Immunity' will be the new excuse via non-participation or B grade no so new strain effective vaccine choices.

Housing affordability - never seen a sane definition for that. And public housing tenants seem to be living in more modern digs than many, although inner city gentrification is going full tilt. Note job security has to be factored in there, and for the less well educated and over 60's that has been going downhill.

I have seen .au govt remarks like 'Will have to remain' , so I damn well think they have NO intention whatsoever of allowing OS travel. Anyone who chose not to get vaccinated deserves to bear the consequences when bogan destinations open up again, so we are being punished for the actions of others. The .ca and .sa strain mutations are significant, and the 'right not to vaccine' means another wave that hopefully will cull the anti-vaxxers.

I feel sure vaccinated workers from Pacific will be able to do farm stays. Also figure state quarantine has to quarantine some LOCAL people when breakouts occur at short notice, while os students will be hard to ramp up until Aussies abroad are brought home.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Context is everything though, we've only just hit this week the level we were at the peak of the first wave, so as I said ..... they're not down *that* much, they're only down in comparison to when things started to shoot up again in December. As always, newspapers will only show what they want to try and paint a picture

lol you keep those goal posts on wheels or the full set up / take down each time? just curious

 

[clifford]

lol you keep those goal posts on wheels or the full set up / take down each time? just curious

Notwithstanding the "stats", I guess you'd rather be here than there.

I have a lot more family in the UK than here, and I'm not hearing a lot of happiness from them.

 

[Flashback]

lol you keep those goal posts on wheels or the full set up / take down each time? just curious

Huh? I've never moved the goal posts. I was pointing out that the picture being shown, is misleading. It's only a fall since the last uptick, not the massive fall it's being put forward as. Things need to be baselined against this time last year when cases were few.

 

[Flashback]

AirNZ have decided to use the IATA developed application.

Air New Zealand to trial digital health pass app on Sydney-Auckland route

App to verify Covid vaccination, testing status.

www.itnews.com.au