Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[jakeseven7]

Business travel won't return to pre-Covid levels this decade.

Lol that’s what everyone said post GFC too

 

[twiningb]

TBF the GFC was near the end of a decade. ;-)

 

[Must...Fly!]

Business travel won't return to pre-Covid levels this decade.

People would've said the same after 1918/19. The 20s and early 30s roared

 

[mviy]

As good as technology is becoming we are still far off online meetings being able to replicate the experience of meeting people in person.

I think once borders reopen there will be a lot of pent up demand for travel both for business and for pleasure.

 

[dajop]

As good as technology is becoming we are still far off online meetings being able to replicate the experience of meeting people in person.

I think once borders reopen there will be a lot of pent up demand for travel both for business and for pleasure.

It all depends on how much the reduction in travel has already been factored into corporate budgets. Always difficult to get those dollars back.

 

[ayushamity]

When international tourists will be allowed to enter Australia

Australia's borders have been closed since March due to the coronavirus pandemic, with only citizens, residents and exempted foreigners allowed to enter.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Early 2022. You heard it first here folks !

 

[Flashback]

As good as technology is becoming we are still far off online meetings being able to replicate the experience of meeting people in person.

I think once borders reopen there will be a lot of pent up demand for travel both for business and for pleasure.

We're still travelling for business, but only those that already had visas. Those without, are not; still issues in getting new ones issued. Other than that it's business as usual for us as we can't do what we do without it.

The main business travel that will take a while to come back, if at all, is all those going on jollies for sales kick offs, conferences, etc.

 

[hb13]

People would've said the same after 1918/19. The 20s and early 30s roared

This is just false.

I'm not sure how anyone now knows what was said 100 years ago, unless you lived through that time? In fact, most people around the world would have had no clue due to the media in most countries at that time being censored. The pandemic in 1918 was called the Spanish Flu, even though the origin of the flu had nothing to do with Spain. The reason it was labelled the Spanish Flu was because Spain was neutral in the war and had a free press. The first observations of illness were actually witnessed in the US at that time.

And secondly, the 20s and 30s roared how? The Great Depression occurred in 1929 and lasted 10 years. According to History.com, the Great Depression was the worst economic downturn in the history of the industrialized world.

 

[jase05]

It all depends on how much the reduction in travel has already been factored into corporate budgets. Always difficult to get those dollars back.

I know plenty of folk that are WFH and their work has no plans to ever reintroduce going to the office so things change and it’s going to be a very different world when all this ends

 

[hb13]

Lol that’s what everyone said post GFC too

Lol who said that? Have you got sources? The GFC was different to this. Businesses now have been forced to work remotely for a year and will do so for another couple of years till at least 2023/24. That's already half the decade.

 

[jakeseven7]

Lol who said that? Have you got sources? The GFC was different to this. Businesses now have been forced to work remotely for a year and will do so for another couple of years till at least 2023/24. That's already half the decade.

Cool story, lets mark these posts and check back in a few years, see who is closest to right

 

[hb13]

Cool story, lets mark these posts and check back in a few years, see who is closest to right

lol done.

 

[Rembrandt]

I know plenty of folk that are WFH and their work has no plans to ever reintroduce going to the office so things change and it’s going to be a very different world when all this ends

WFH sounds great in theory, but in reality leaves many businesses closing down that provide services to office workers e.g. cafes as the obvious example. The unemployment rate wont go back to where it was pre covid for a long time.

 

[Hvr]

WFH sounds great in theory, but in reality leaves many businesses closing down that provide services to office workers e.g. cafes as the obvious example

The choice between your business or my life, guess what, my life is more important.

And for businesses who expect people to spend in coffee shops etc when they go back to the office, think again. I know lots of people who have now realised just how much they were spending on beverages, 2 coffees a day, $10 x 5 days work, hmmm $50 I have saved per week. That doesn't include lunch or other food.

They're used to making their own beverage at home and it tastes just as good for a lot less money.

Plus, people now realise that economic security is no longer guaranteed and will seek to save, and/or pay off debts incurred. I'll posit that discretionary spending will be low for a long time.

Our office no longer has enough seats for everybody. WFH is being strongly encouraged; even after the plague is over I've been approved to WFH for at least 2 days per week.

Business requirements have changed, cafes and coffee shops etc have to adapt instead of whinging.

 

[mviy]

WFH sounds great in theory, but in reality leaves many businesses closing down that provide services to office workers e.g. cafes as the obvious example. The unemployment rate wont go back to where it was pre covid for a long time.

One of my favourite coffee shops has already closed down. The cafe owner had "diversified" into running a successful catering business. The catering closed down overnight due to COVID and the cafe didn't fare much better.

 

[drron]

I'm alright Jack.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The choice between your business or my life, guess what, my life is more important.

And for businesses who expect people to spend in coffee shops etc when they go back to the office, think again. I know lots of people who have now realised just how much they were spending on beverages, 2 coffees a day, $10 x 5 days work, hmmm $50 I have saved per week. That doesn't include lunch or other food.

They're used to making their own beverage at home and it tastes just as good for a lot less money.

Plus, people now realise that economic security is no longer guaranteed and will seek to save, and/or pay off debts incurred. I'll posit that discretionary spending will be low for a long time.

Our office no longer has enough seats for everybody. WFH is being strongly encouraged; even after the plague is over I've been approved to WFH for at least 2 days per week.

Business requirements have changed, cafes and coffee shops etc have to adapt instead of whinging.

It’s not only that, covid has probably just hastened the change that was already well underway. Post offices were under threat of closing due to a change in the way we communicate, but many have diversified. Banks are cutting branches because cash is no longer widely used. Shops are struggling as online retailers refine their service model (the USA is outstanding in this respect with free delivery, free returns etc).

The push to have flexible hours, work from home... not new. But covid has pushed it right along, out of necessity. Anyone with a small business needs to be assessing where it’s going, what are the challenges, and where are the opportunities. Not easy, but income from passing foot traffic can’t be guaranteed these days.

 

[ayushamity]

‘Travel bubbles’ may begin with 14-day quarantine still required

Australia may remove the roadblocks to travelling overseas before hotel quarantine requirements are similarly relaxed.

www.executivetraveller.com

it looks pretty clear that Australia will not open border immediately after vaccinations.

Will Australia’s vaccine efforts reopen international borders?​

Australia now plans to have the entire adult population vaccinated against COVID-19 by October, but this won’t necessarily see Australia’s international borders swung open by November.

In part, that's because children aged 15 years or under may not be vaccinated under the same timeline, given the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine rolling out this month is approved only for use in those aged 16 and above.

We still don’t have any vaccines which have been licenced to be used in children,” Kidd shares, “and it means that at the moment, we’re unable to immunise a very significant percentage of our population, and a significant percentage of the people who will be on planes.

 

[mviy]

I don’t need to travel with kids, happy to travel adults only. Still holding out a little hope of travelling at Christmas time.

 

[Matt_01]

I don’t need to travel with kids, happy to travel adults only. Still holding out a little hope of travelling at Christmas time.

And some of us do travel with kids, I am hoping to travel internationally by Sep 21 and May 22 in school holidays with our daughter who will be 14 and then 15 at the time of travel. I am somewhat annoyed about some of the comments made by Kidd around travel, i.e minors we are happy for the greater population to get the free jab and then I would like to think MrsM and myself can have the choice to pay for and if required to have our daughter vaccinated (so we can travel). As a family we were traveling 2-3 times year-on-year in J and F since MissM was around 2. I also suspect she may have been to more countries and some more than once or twice than many on this site.

@mviy my comments are not intentionally directed at you however you did mention kids and this is not something I have seen in a while. At the AFF annual gathering in Canberra 2020 I seem to recall that one or two mods of this site mentioned that kids flying, be it premium or otherwise is the new norm.