Popped the Business Class Cherry on CX134 From Melbourne

[SeatBackForward]

Well I've seen my fair share of bad behaviour in business class too. I don't think it has anything to do with the class being flown, but says more about the individuals concerned.

The most vivid I have is of one middle aged man too lazy to pick up his blanket and then blaming the crew for leaving it spread into the aisle.


Anyway, what you're saying is a bit like, people who sit at the front of buses stink. Sure perhaps on one experience but you can't taint all front sitters nor can you assume that stinky people always sit at the front.

And last of all, imagine what they thought of you!

 

[Jackson Tan]

Well I've seen my fair share of bad behaviour in business class too. I don't think it has anything to do with the class being flown, but says more about the individuals concerned.

The most vivid I have is of one middle aged man too lazy to pick up his blanket and then blaming the crew for leaving it spread into the aisle.


Anyway, what you're saying is a bit like, people who sit at the front of buses stink. Sure perhaps on one experience but you can't taint all front sitters nor can you assume that stinky people always sit at the front.

And last of all, imagine what they thought of you!

That is true actually What would they have thought of me? I just slept and was respectful to the flight attendants and spoke to them in Cantonese when I could... That is respect

 

[Jackson Tan]

Aussie_Flyer, are you famous or infamous?

FAMOUS, I'm clearly amending my comment so his not annoyed with me, and his a Melbournian which makes what I have done worse, to create misunderstanding

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Aussie_Flyer, are you famous or infamous?

I'm famous, partly because of my extreme good looks and the fact I fly business class. It's a rarity so I do get a lot of attention

Anyway, don't stress Jackson Tan , perhaps you just got a couple of bad flights full of unlike-able types. I would suggest you don't stop striving for premium travel though because even if some of the fellow passengers may not be always great people, the comfort outweighs it in my opinion.

 

[JohnK]

Apologies for upsetting anyone with this post, but it is what I observed. There is no real need to be young & good looking, just a friendly and open attitude when travelling. Older people can be handsome or beautiful too, but I just didn't see it on business class travels.

When I was younger travelling economy was a nice experience. People were friendly and I had some good conversations with total strangers.

Times have changed. People have changed. Not everyone but I find many people rude and arrogant with no regard for anyone around them. Still meet some nice people but I prefer to sit in bulkhead and limit the interactions.

Business class is a nicer experience but doesn't mean you will get a better class of person. The class in business class isn't referring to the type of behaviour one might expect.

I love flying and try to make the experience as pleasant as possible for me and respect those around me.

 

[KitKat]

Why does everyone assume I'm a yapper haha. It's just about being respectful; as long as your not that Fat Snob who barks at flight attendants its all good. I don't like talking to everyone, and there are times I want to zone out. Thats pretty much everyone

The use of "Fat Snob" does not make you many friends. It is pointless. I guess you were trying to say that there were some rude passengers onboard..... no need to add "Fat" to "Snob"
Both words best not used...

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The use of "Fat Snob" does not make you many friends. It is pointless. I guess you were trying to say that there were some rude passengers onboard..... no need to add "Fat" to "Snob"
Both words best not used...

It's difficult to even ascertain if passengers were rude or not. Cabin crew do sometimes assist with bags going into the overhead locker, and it may not be apparent to another passenger that crew have offered to help.

How would a first time business class passenger know when was an inappropriate time to ask for an espresso? Asking crew for a coffee or drink as they are passing through the cabin with a trolley, cart, or otherwise, is just as good a time as any to ask for your beverage.

CX has a dedicated person in the galley during meal times to prepare special drink orders.

 

[Jackson Tan]

The use of "Fat Snob" does not make you many friends. It is pointless. I guess you were trying to say that there were some rude passengers onboard..... no need to add "Fat" to "Snob"
Both words best not used...

point taken, however the original author used it, I simply used it in that context, not me she called herself that, for all I know she could be really thin...

 

[Jackson Tan]

It's difficult to even ascertain if passengers were rude or not. Cabin crew do sometimes assist with bags going into the overhead locker, and it may not be apparent to another passenger that crew have offered to help.

How would a first time business class passenger know when was an inappropriate time to ask for an espresso? Asking crew for a coffee or drink as they are passing through the cabin with a trolley, cart, or otherwise, is just as good a time as any to ask for your beverage.

CX has a dedicated person in the galley during meal times to prepare special drink orders.

Trust me, if they were as pleasant as roses, the whole experience would be perfect. Let's say when she is about to serve my meal, and the woman interrupts and asks “where is my espresso?" In an annoyed tone;'and I give the flight attendant a reassuring and amused look... Or commanding the flight attendant to put things in the locker when attending to take off procedures after everyone has already done so.... Even if it is my first time, I see the poor attitude and logic in these demands...:evil:

 

[Jackson Tan]

I'm famous, partly because of my extreme good looks and the fact I fly business class. It's a rarity so I do get a lot of attention

Anyway, don't stress Jackson Tan , perhaps you just got a couple of bad flights full of unlike-able types. I would suggest you don't stop striving for premium travel though because even if some of the fellow passengers may not be always great people, the comfort outweighs it in my opinion.

I trust you on your advice being so experienced, and your very engaging blog. I will give it a go, and when that woman barks at the flight attendant, I will tell her to be respectful to the flight attendant and shut it!

 

[Atleastonce]

Actually I don't make much noise, but definitely wouldn't want to be near you with that attitude

Hi JT, I am an extreme introvert and love the solitude of a J or F seat. I don't doubt you don't make much noise, I just love to relax in my own world and enjoy the comforts. I am not one for small talk and feel extremely uncomfortable trying to make conversation wth someone I don't know. I am comfortable with that, others take it as rudeness if I don't want to talk to them on an aircraft. So be it, I can live with that.

 

[Mrmaxwell]

Jackson - rude arrogant people are found everywhere these days - even in business class. In life these people can be avoided but in a small metal tube you just have to put up with it.

At least you had great service, good food and a nice roomy chair to make you feel a little better, and you could always walk through the curtain back into economy (gasp!) anytime you wish to mix with the rabble

 

[mitwg]

I've actually seen more clueless people in Y then in J or F. This is down to statistics isn't it?

If there's a cabin with 40 people (J) compared to a cabin with 200 people (Y), even if the % of rude people in J may be higher, you are bound to get more rude people in terms of pure numbers in Y.

Anecdotally, my gf works as an FA for particular airline known for it's policies against women (yes that one) and her and her friends (naturally FAs too) always tell me economy class is like a 'jungle', with people trying to do everything they can to empty the food/drink carts & get everything out of the airline. Also, the tricks they try to pull trying to get free upgrades etc, her group of friends say even the 'air' in the cabin feels different in Y compared to J.

In saying that, she now works exclusively in J/F and frequents the national ruling family. Apparently, some of them are so lazy that don't even do the seat belts themselves so when the seat belt sign goes on. They'd rather call an FA and point at the seat belt to have them do it.

Even with that however, she has recently passed her assessment to become a cabin senior (2nd in charge after purser) and she's rather reluctant to get promoted because even though the pay increases, the cabin senior actually has to manage the economy cabin on widebody aircrafts and she dreads going back to the Y cabin.

 

[clazman]

In saying that, she now works exclusively in J/F and frequents the national ruling family. Apparently, some of them are so lazy that don't even do the seat belts themselves so when the seat belt sign goes on. They'd rather call an FA and point at the seat belt to have them do it.

What happens if they need a bathroom break?

 

[mitwg]

While I never asked, I'm sure they'll get up like any normal person and use the bathroom. What they do inside and whether they leave a whole mess inside? I wouldn't know...

 

[legroom]

Just came back from a trip to Taipei and had the privilege of flying Business Class on CX.
The service was amazing, attentive beautiful flight attendants, nice flat bed, entertainment system（hardly used anyway). The only thing missing is the energy of economy; there were a lot of snobby older people who didn't treat the flight attendants well eg. Demanding Espresso coffee in a snappy tone when the flight attendants were pushing trolleys, getting flight attendants to put bags into the overhead compartment when they could really use the excercise.

It was a great experience, but would probably not join business class again because most people are rude and arrogant . Wishing there were more down to earth, and there was a better energy on the flight I was on. Understand privacy, and people needing to relax; but there is no need to be so demanding.

But overall CX great service, really feel for your flight attendants and the type of snobs there are on Business Class, it wouldn't hurt for them to smile once in a while and socialise.

Rude people - and I am not saying what you observed were as I was not there [tone of voice is a subjective observation] - could be anywhere: cattle or first class.

At least in business class, you do have the option of zoning out in your own space so I am at a loss to read your preferred response [going back to your usual Y section] where if rudeness is observed / experienced, you would have no option to escape from.

If grossly inappropriate, the CSM would have cautioned the pax concerned already.

I find it rather amazing that after one single J trip, you already formed a view of the type of people sitting there as a group.

BTW, "most people are rude and arrogant" - what was the basis for the word "most" ??

15/20 J Pax

25/32 J pax ?

or....

1-2 out of 32 ?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I suspect it's possible the OP observed some behaviours and interactions that are actually promoted as part of the business class experience... are not found in economy... and confused those with a sense of entitlement or rudeness.

If we use the example of the coffee order... in economy you probably wouldn't stop cabin crew in the middle of service and ask for a coffee. In business class that is normal and acceptable... they have dedicated staff to get drinks and items not on the cart or trolley.

On on that basis, it's possible other perceived interactions are actually normal.

Of course it's possible to find bad behaviour on one flight, but back-to-back consecutive flights, in the numbers described would be extraordinarily rare.

 

[Mattg]

Does anyone remember the story about the First Class passengers that demanded to be let off their LAX-MEL flight because there were no first class pyjamas on board? Now that is arrogant!

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[Jackson Tan]

Gosh. If their so particular and fussy with things, they should have the ability to have their own private jet!

Does anyone remember the story about the First Class passengers that demanded to be let off their LAX-MEL flight because there were no first class pyjamas on board? Now that is arrogant!

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[mitwg]

I think there's usually a difference between the nature of the 'problems' perceived in J compared to Y as well.

Generally speaking, the 'problems' that people speak of in J are related to DYKWIA behaviour (i.e. complaints over trivial events, such as seat selection or availability of meals etc.). But also, I'm of the opinion that these 'behaviours' generally do not affect your personal comfort when travelling.

On the flipside, I think there are more 'problems' in Y that do affect other passengers. I'm looking at things like using those devices which prevent you from reclining your seats, people resting their leg over the seat in front of them, people reclining during meal service, people taking up all the room on the overhead storage compartment, people loitering in front of the toilet etc.

I know what I'd certainly prefer... After all, I could simply choose to ignore the rants of a first class passenger that missed his flight because he was expecting the FA to escort him from the lounge to the plane before departing.