Pilot fired for questioning airline safety

[NM]

I always find it amusing when the term 'loyalty' is mentioned. Basically, loyalty is something that senior management seem to expect, but which they never give. It is only a one way street.

What school of management does that come from?

It is in now way unique to the airline industry! Must be taught at all management schools. Its a core component of Management 101.

 

[oz_mark]

And at the same time as training them to be pilots, the RAAF is also training them to be military officers and all the discipline and process that goes along with that. And they are examined on both aspects and have to prove exemplary results on both. To me, its the combination of training provided that makes the RAAF such a good training ground for future airline pilots.

May depend on what they are flying in the air force. You could argue, for example, the attributes that make a great fighter pilot, are not necassarily the same attributes you would find in a commercial pilot.

The bottom line issue, though, is where are the airlines going to find all the captains they need. The airforce shouldn't be expected to provide them all, so there has to be other paths in.

 

[straitman]

May depend on what they are flying in the air force. You could argue, for example, the attributes that make a great fighter pilot, are not necassarily the same attributes you would find in a commercial pilot.

Several points:
1. Fighter pilots are a significant minority of military pilots.
2. Even fighter pilots can mature into airline pilots.
3. The majority of military flying positions draw major parallels with airline flying. (all be it with a few add ons)

 

[oz_mark]

Several points:
1. Fighter pilots are a significant minority of military pilots.
2. Even fighter pilots can mature into airline pilots.
3. The majority of military flying positions draw major parallels with airline flying. (all be it with a few add ons)

Point taken, but there is the broader of issue that the air force can't provide the number of pilots that the commercial sector needs.

 

[straitman]

Point taken, but there is the broader of issue that the air force can't provide the number of pilots that the commercial sector needs.

No disagreement from me.

 

[markis10]

Whats wrong with the airlines contributing more to pilot training or running an airline cadet scheme, it's ironic that airlines moving to offshore fulfillment of airline crew will probably end up getting Australian trained pilots because another airline has trained them here under a cadet scheme.

 

[oz_mark]

Whats wrong with the airlines contributing more to pilot training or running an airline cadet scheme, it's ironic that airlines moving to offshore fulfillment of airline crew will probably end up getting Australian trained pilots because another airline has trained them here under a cadet scheme.

It's probably a good idea - I don't know what the answer is, nor do I think that the idea of fulfilling offshore is a good long term strategy either.

 

[NM]

3. The majority of military flying positions draw major parallels with airline flying. (all be it with a few add ons)

Such as exploding things carried under the wings? Or flying missions to drop stuff in Indonesia?

Sorry, could not resist :mrgreen:

 

[drron]

Would this get you sacked on JQ?
Matt on travel: best of the rest - Telegraph

 

[munitalP]

Such as exploding things carried under the wings? Or flying missions to drop stuff in Indonesia?

Sorry, could not resist :mrgreen:

I didn't realise the airforce were using that model RR engine!


:shock:

 

[straitman]

3. The majority of military flying positions draw major parallels with airline flying. (all be it with a few add ons)

Such as exploding things carried under the wings? Or flying missions to drop stuff in Indonesia?

Sorry, could not resist :mrgreen:

You are forgiven, but only this once :!:

 

[jb747]

2. Even fighter pilots can mature into airline pilots.

It's called getting old....

I haven't gone back to read exactly what I said (and I may have been confused), but I don't think I pushed the fighter pilot band wagon. The overall standard that the RAAF produced was extremely good, no matter what they were posted to. I fly with them now, and even decades out of the system, you can still pick the difference. Are they the best? Well no, not necessarily, but they are incredibly consistent, and rarely have action precede thought.

 

[Worldtraveller8888]

Is this what we might be getting ourselves in for?

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/...er-jet-plunge/comments-e6frfq80-1225963046654

 

[markis10]

You are forgiven, but only this once :!:

Looks like the pilot has been forgiven:

SACKED Jetstar pilot Joe Eakins will get his job back after apologising for bringing the budget carrier's safety standards into disrepute.

Mr Eakins, 31, has admitted he breached the airline's code of conduct and employment arrangements when he spoke out against the carrier's policy of hiring overseas pilots and flight crew.
In claims reported last month, which airline management decried as a malicious lie, Mr Eakins alleged that Jetstar's safety culture "could be obliterated" by a push to hire pilots and flight crew from overseas.
However, after meetings in the past week between Jetstar management and Mr Eakins, it was agreed that after apologising for his comments he would be reinstated to his former role as a first officer.
In a statement issued last night, Mr Eakins said: "Following discussions directly with Jetstar, I am pleased to accept the airline's offer to be reinstated and immediately return to my role as an A330 first officer.


Read more: Saftey-fears pilot Joe Eakins says sorry to Jetstar, wins job back | News.com.au​

 

[rtyuiop]

I'm intrigued! I didn't see that one coming at all. Can anyone think of an explanation other than Jetstar getting a legal opinion that they were in for a world of hurt and bad publicity (which I would be a little surprised about)?

Danny

 

[NM]

I'm intrigued! I didn't see that one coming at all. Can anyone think of an explanation other than Jetstar getting a legal opinion that they were in for a world of hurt and bad publicity (which I would be a little surprised about)?

Danny

Probably more an opinion from the marketing department than from the legal department.

 

[rtyuiop]

Maybe so - I just can't help thinking that 90% of the marketing damage has already been done!

 

[SFSC]

I wonder what his promotion prospects are.

 

[BAM1748]

I wonder what his promotion prospects are.

A couple of years, a couple of changes in his line managers and hey presto the memory of this is gone.

 

[medhead]

I'm pretty sure I've recently read that he was taking it to the fairwork (?) tribunal for unfair dismissal and the story seemed positive on his prospects iirc. I dare say they have been in mediation around that action and have come to an arrangement.

Are the jetstar pilots the ones who pay thousands of dollars for their training? Maybe there was something in that training arrangement that pseudo-guaranteed his employment after paying for the training?