Philippine Airlines removed from European Union blacklist

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San Miguel Corporation of Philippines doesn't just make great eponymous beer, but it must be a pretty smart corporate outfit (or lucky).

Recently, the European Union has removed the blacklisting of flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PR) (which San Miguel owns about half of) so this expanding but like many others still unprofitable (although not to the extent of some others wordlwide) airline can now fly to Europe:

EU lifts air ban on Philippine Airlines | Inquirer Global Nation

This follows in Garuda Indonesia's footsteps. In Indonesia, other local airlines remained subject to the EU blacklist.

The EU has not removed Cebu Pacific (5J) from the blacklist.

PR used to fly to Europe with it offering cheap fares from Oz in the 1980s if I correctly recall.

Now that it's flying from MEL, SYD and DRW non stop to MNL and one stop from PER and BNE (via DRW) to MNL, it's a possible alternative. Manila and Philippines generally are steadily attracting more Australians most years due to the amazingly beautiful beaches, largely in the middle group of islands called the Visayas (Boracay, Bantayan, Malapascua, Moalboal, Siquijor, Apo - all islands - and so on) and the OK to visit majority of Mindanao (Camiguin - mostly black sand), Samal and so on.

The SYD flights use the modern B777-300ERs. MEL was using these but has just switched back to older A343s (not my favourite). The other three have modern A320s but these and the MEL flights don't have AVOD. SYD flights do. J on the B773 is very good: Y is OK on all save for the lack of AVOD where that's true. Food is better ex Oz than ex MNL.

There's no word on when flights to Amsterdam, London, Paris, Rome or other destinations may commence. There's a pretty new website aimed at the Australian market Philippine Airlines Deals Australia | PAL Flights but it is sometimes not as updated as www.philippineairlines.com or the Australian version of the Facebook page.

I couldn't see the flights commencing in much less than a year given the various need for specific regulatory approvals with individual governments, finding slots (probably unavailable at LHR but presumably available at LGW, AMS and perhaps CDG), marketing and making sure that the airline has sufficient approved (accredited) planes to operate.

There are thousands of Filipino overseas contract workers in London, Italy and surprisingly (perhaps not due to the country's incredible oil generated wealth) in Norway among other possible destinations so this may be a market into which PR wishes to tap.
 
Here is a statement from a Filipino government site:

Statement: The Presidential Spokesperson on the lifting of EU Air Safety Commission ban on PAL and CAAP, July 10, 2013 | Official Gazette of the Republic of the Philippines

It suggests that that country's aviation administrator can assess other airlines' suitability to be approved to fly to Europe.

Cebu Pacific plans to begin flying from MNL to AVV in mid to late 2014, but it will be hard to fill a 436 seat A330 (even if fares are low). It won't be daily. AVV has to be altered to include immigration and customs.
 
Well this is excellent news for PR.

Used to fly PR lots when I was a much younger lad, in its hey day.

Hopefully this will give a bit more of a spark into both PR and air travel to, from and within the Philippines.

Will be interesting to see a PR aircraft in London, Amsterdam, Paris or Frankfurt (or others...)

I suppose there will be some killer fares (in an Australian sense, might be expensive for Filipinos) in the mix, kind of mirroring GA. Also, will PR fly via a mid-point to get to Europe, and where will it be (I think from some time in history, this midpoint was BKK or HKG).
 
In the late 1980s or thereabouts, PR did the milk run MNL - AUH - KHI - LGW but when I travelled on a 744 KHI was only a technical stop if my recollection is correct. I cannot remember why the airline needed to stop at KHI though.

Today, I would expect non stops as PR is shortly commencing nonstops from MNL to various Middle Eastern destinations. More details are at Philippine Airlines :: Home
 
I just wish PR would have a more consistent on time or at least near to.. rating... My PR flight delayed again today.. :(
 
In the late 1980s or thereabouts, PR did the milk run MNL - AUH - KHI - LGW but when I travelled on a 744 KHI was only a technical stop if my recollection is correct. I cannot remember why the airline needed to stop at KHI though.

Are you sure it was not KWI.
 
MNL-LHR should be in the range of the 777-300ER, a few hundered miles shorter than SIN-LHR, but wonder about routing/load restrictions and whether they would be better off with a mid-east stopover.
 
MNL-LHR should be in the range of the 777-300ER, a few hundered miles shorter than SIN-LHR, but wonder about routing/load restrictions and whether they would be better off with a mid-east stopover.

SQ used it between SIN and LHR so I don't see why there would be any restrictions
 
SQ used it between SIN and LHR so I don't see why there would be any restrictions
Agree, but if it's packed with Y seats etc (unlike the BA / SQ config), maybe they would be better (more economic) to stop-over plus they can fill more seats per flight that way.

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browski, when I did the milk run we defintely stopped at Karachi not Kuwait.

docjames, the PR B777-300ERs have 370 seats: 42 Mabuhay Class (business class), which are angled but almost lie flat and 328 Fiesta Class (economy) seats in the increasingly common 10 across layout of 3-4-3. I usually pick a seat two or three rows from the back as there are some rows of only a window and an aisle instead of the dreaded third (middle) seat. See www.seatplans.com
 
I assume that airlines such as PR that have not flown to LHR for 15 years would long ago have given up any slots they had for arrivals or departures.

It would be unusual if LHR had any spare slots. There is an article today about LHR's push for a 4th runway amid claims that it is operating at '99 per cent capacity' (at least as far as the 480,000 annual flights - I assume that's 240,000 arriving flights and the same number of departures).

PR might have to look at LGW.

I do not know the slot situation at CDG or other major European airports. Does anyone?

If there are no slots, resumption of European flying by PR could conceivably be delayed well into 2014.

Are slots auctioned off by airlines that rescind a slot?
 
It's possible they're leased to another airline like what Qantas does with its two unused slots.
 
elbarto, if the slots were leased, would most airlines that do this write into the lease a clause specifying that they can 'resume' the slot on (say) six months' notice (given that the airline leasing the slot would have to retime its flights and hence contact passengers who had booked in advance, alter pilot and flight attendant rosters, catering and fuelling arrangements and so on)?
 
Showing my age but I flew PR in the early 80's when they were one of the first to have flat beds (certified for take off and landing IIRC) on the F upper deck of the 747. SQ later introduced this as well. They also advertised their Chaîne des Rôtisseurs membership.

I have flown SYD/MNL many times in more recent years in J and for a great price have enjoyed their wonderfully warm but idiosyncratic service - much better than the tired QF product on that route. Welcome back I say. BTW QF are doing quite a lot of their heavy maintenance at Lufthansa Technik in MNL these days (incl A380) so what's the fuss about maintenance standards?
 
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I too remember PR with the flat beds but my memory is from about 1992.

PR's flight attendants are not robotic like SQ's and may sometimes come across as a bit officious, but if you take the time to chat to them (even for half a minute) and give them a small smile, you'll receive very good service from most of them.

This airline is also unusual in that it is not part of Star Alliance, SkyTeam or OneWorld (ranking these three airline alliances in order of size, with Star being far and away the best).

Some say that the benefits of being in an alliance are overstated. PR would have to continue its refleeting program and convince an alliance's board why it should join when the three groups already have good representation from Asia. Of course, PR may not want to join such a group even if eventually it was considered suitable.

I agree with VC10 that PR's service in J class on the 777-300ER that flies between SYD and MNL (and sometimes to MEL) is excellent with very good meals.
 
I had a client who is the former Qld Manager for PAL, he was retrenched when they pulled back from Australia. Glad to see them back. He'll be happy too, has lifetime benefits on PAL ;)
 
In LHR and/or FRA?

When QF ceased the HKG-LHR-HKG run, it leased the slots to BA.

No idea about FRA, but I do know QF retains seat allocations to Germany as a country (which is why the rumour about QF flying from DXB to Berlin continues to gain some traction).
 
When QF ceased the HKG-LHR-HKG run, it leased the slots to BA.

No idea about FRA, but I do know QF retains seat allocations to Germany as a country (which is why the rumour about QF flying from DXB to Berlin continues to gain some traction).

I would love if QF went back to FRA, but I would prefer to they went to HAM but would still love if they went to BER!
If they did go back to Germany, question is which plane would they use? I guess would it be MEL/SYD-BER route or would it be DXB-BER with pax feeding off the east coast flights that are heading to LHR.
I know a lot questions... Perhaps even SIN-BER?
Does QF have arrangements with EK that limit their routes into Europe via another hub?
 
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