Pax removed from QF838 MEL-DRW 02 Feb

[mannej]

I was replying to a direct question from mannej.



Now back to discussing champagne and excess baggage allowances.

Funny you mentioned that as you have not answered my question in the slightest, but have taken the chance to push your views even more.

 

[RooFlyer]

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The idea that they are obstructing some "more genuine" refugees is therefore exposed as a shibolleth.
<snip>.

I believe the argument is that they displace more needy refugees. The ones that don't have the thousands of dollars to fly to Indonesia, then pay people smugglers thousands more and mysteriously lose their passports & travel documents. I think of the refugees huddling in tents in the camps around the Horn of Africa.

BTW, readers may care to look up the spelling & meaning of "shibboleth".

Discussion on Champagne here.

 

[drron]

So in the original article there was an instigator of the disruption.

Passenger and protester Jasmine Pilbrow, who visits detention centres in Melbourne, said she encouraged two other people to stand up on the plane.
"I refused to sit down until he was taken off the flight," the 21-year-old said. "If he is sent back to Sri Lanka he is likely to be imprisoned and tortured."

I guess she was unaware that Sri Lanka have a new government.The president won a large majority of the Tamil and muslim minorities.So it is unlikely the deportee would be imprisoned and tortured.
As those advocating for the refugees say a majority of those are found by our tribunals to be refugees this fellow wasn't.

As for the UN treaty on Refugees it certainly means we must protect refugees but in fact it gives no right of resettlement.Something always omitted by the advocates.

And for the history of boat people the first wave began in 1974 and went through to 1981.The Liberal government admitted 50000+ Vietnamese refugees with Gough Whitlam,Bob Hawke and the waterside workers opposing the intake.
The next wave began in 1988 and predominantly Cambodians.When Keating became PM he introduced Mandatory Detention.
The Third wave began ~ 1999.The difference was that the first 2 waves came on boats from their homelands.The third wave came indirectly and used people smugglers.There is also an UN Treaty on this that Australia ratified.

 

[straitman]

A reminder that the topic is:

Re: Pax removed from QF838 MEL-DRW 02 Feb


This is now OT and pushing the Political Topic limits.

 

[nick.wall]

Going back to topic, the good news is we'll all be able to forget about it now.

With the Vintage 747 delivery this weekend this particular reference to Qantas will be removed from the top aviation stories of the media and replaced with a feel good story - much more palatable. That story seems to be getting a remarkable run in the media. Additionally the happenings in Indonesia seem to be occupying the media which has bumped this off the radar.

Their PR department will be able to then add it to the long list of PR nightmares/dramas they've endured, chuckle at all the angry messages left on the facebook page although in a serious moment probably go and check none of those people threatening never to fly them again actually didn't have any kind of status and then go back to hoping that this, along with all the other mostly self created PR flareups in recent years (football competitions, groundings, the qantasluxury hashtag, disgruntled former staff writing books, that silly necklace saga that upset some folk of faith) and whatever else I've missed don't all collectively chip away at brand credibility in the long term

Provided its not a slow news day when the Victorian Human Rights decision comes through, it'll probably be the last we hear of it.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Well the incident has upset people with status.

 

[Mrmaxwell]

A reminder that the topic is:

Re: Pax removed from QF838 MEL-DRW 02 Feb


This is now OT and pushing the Political Topic limits.

Politics aside it seems inappropriate to be putting these kind of passengers on a normal commercial flight. I certainly wouldn't want to be flying in this situation.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Amen.
With extra characters.

 

[serfty]

Seems the instigator has been banned for the time being by qf

http://www.smh.com.au/national/qant...for-what-she-believed-in-20150306-13xosl.html

 

[ChasingDaylight]

Politics aside it seems inappropriate to be putting these kind of passengers on a normal commercial flight. I certainly wouldn't want to be flying in this situation.

FWIW it used to be incredibly common. They're escorted and a security/risk assessment was drawn up for each passenger on the flight. If the pilot wasn't happy with that assessment/risk level, he/she would refuse to carry the relevant individual(s).

 

[straitman]

Whilst I understand you position I don't agree.
This was discussed much earlier in the thread.

 

[ChasingDaylight]

Whilst I understand you position I don't agree.
This was discussed much earlier in the thread.

Not sure if your post is in relation to mine before it or another one?

 

[Hvr]

An update:

Qantas has lifted its no-fly ban on a Melbourne man who walked off a plane bound for Darwin after learning it was carrying an asylum seeker set to be deported.



But two women, who also protested the deportation of the Tamil asylum seeker on flight 838 on February 2, are still banned from the airline.
Paul Leary, 53, received an email from Qantas on Wednesday morning informing him that he had been removed from the "no fly" list

Qantas lifts ban on Melbourne man Paul Leary

The report continues with Mr Leary saying he wanted an apology from Qantas. Be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[drron]

Though from the link in the original post-

Qantas confirmed a "number of passengers" on QF838 became disruptive when they refused sit down and follow cabin crew instructions on Monday morning's flight.
The 25-year-old Tamil man, Puvaneethan, was being deported to Sri Lanka after the Refugee Review Tribunal found him not to be a refugee. He has been living in Australia since 2012.
"After boarding QF838 in Melbourne a number of passengers became disruptive. The passengers refused to follow cabin crew instruction so were offloaded and met by the AFP (Australian Federal Police)," a Qantas spokeswoman said.

By refusing to obey cabin crew instructions I doubt he deserves an apology though QF may give one to try and defuse the issue.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

You're referring to someone who has been identified by name, so be careful that you don't defame him.
The reports I have read do not state that this particular gentleman refused to obey cabin crew instructions.

 

[Happy Trails]

Update:

Woman found guilty over asylum seeker protest on Qantas plane

A protester who refused to take her seat on a plane until an asylum seeker headed for deportation was removed has been asked to pay Qantas more than $3000 in compensation.

 

[Danger]

A good result.