OWE and GLOB rule changes

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  1. Dave Noble

    Dave Noble Senior Member

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    The Global Explorer and One World Explorer tickets have a rule change being implemented on 1st July 2007.

    For tickets issued before 1st July , a maximum of 20 flight segments are permitted. As from 1st July , a maximum of 20 segments including surface segments will be permitted, so anyone currently planning an itinerary with a number of surface segments would be advised to get it ticketed this weekend

    Dave
     

  2. simongr

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    Thanks Dave - for clarity does an airport change within a City (e.g. arriving to LHR and flying out from LGW a few days later) count as a surface segment?

    Cheers

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  3. NM

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    Co-located airports such as LGW/LHR/LCY etc are all considered to be LON, just as JFK/LGA/EWR are all considered to be NYC, and ORD/MDY are considered CHI. However, since this rule seems to be imposed around limiting the number of flight coupons (paper or e-ticket does not matter), such co-locations will incur a VOID coupon and so will in fact count as a sector under the new rules.
     
  4. Keith009

    Keith009 Established Member

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    OTOH - if bits that involve airport changes are left open dated, could they then be ticketed as, for instance, xxx-LON-xxx? That'd avoid incurring VOID segments. One could then make reservations for the actual flights post-ticketing.
     
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    #5 littl_flier, Jun 29, 2007
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    Thanks Dave, this has just significantly de-valued the product in my eyes but I can see from a financial aspect why this has been done. Shame I can't have my mammoth RTW ticketed that starts in Aug 08. :( I had 5 open segments and was already using 19 of them. :mad:
     
  6. Keith009

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    #6 Keith009, Jun 29, 2007
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    My problem is more financial... I have to save till September in order to ticket mine. :( This just convinced me to do the whole 16 segment eticket thing in order to issue my tix over the phone with AA NRT and reroute later, to protect myself from further enhancements asap. Wouldn't be very nice to find a rule change a week or 2 prior to flying into NRT to issue the ticket!

    My new itin results in a net loss of 1000 miles (1500 Qpts...:() and I had to replace PER with something else that'd let me do a simple MEL/SYD-xxx-MEL/SYD (possibly CNS or WLG) so I wouldn't incur a surface segment.

    Oh well... could've been worse...
     
  7. NM

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    I don't think this rule is being imposed purely for cost reasons. I think it is part of the process of moving towards all e-ticket itineraries for such fares, and the e-ticket systems are limited by the total number of "coupons", including the VOID surface sectors.

    Now we also know that most of the GDS systems are currently limited to 16 segments, so either there are plans to increase the issuing capability to 20 segments, or the next product enhancement will be to limit the itineraries to 16 segments in total.
     
  8. littl_flier

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    So does this mean that if we have a surface segment in North America, it will count as 1 of 6?
     
  9. Keith009

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    Allowances for free flight segments in individual continents are still the same, hence the surface in NA will not count as 1/6 of ur allowance in NA. The surface segments only count towards the total in the overall itinerary.
     
  10. littl_flier

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    It's probably a fair way of weening some of us down to 16 flight segments if this is the way it needs to go. I can understand, just wish I was leaving a year earlier. ;)

    PS. Planned routing (after two changes now) was:
    MEL-HKG-JFK,YUL-DFW-ANC-DFW-YUL-DFW-LGW,LHR-MCT-LHR-HEL-LHR-HKG-DPS-NRT-SIN-BNE-PER-DRW-BNE

    Clearly this is a gross abuse of the DONE4 but ooooohhh.................. :p :D :p
     
  11. NM

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    No. The fare rules refer to the free flight segments permitted in each continent. The surface segments are only counted in the maximum of 20 segments for the ticket.

    I guess I would not have used the word free since they are not free at all as you are paying for them in the ticket cost. A better wording would have been "included flight segments".
     
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    Nope - how can it be abuse if it's all within the rules? Admittedly I haven't vetted ur itinerary so I'd just assume you'd followed the rules. :p
     
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    Lol, it has just about every mile I can ween out of it for being based in YUL and then LON. ;) I notice I haven't used a NA transcon though.
     
  14. littl_flier

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    Thanks NM and QF009, this is certainly some good news! :p
     
  15. Keith009

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    Hmm - if the limits of eticketing are a concern - where does that leave the RWSTARs? Currently that has a more generous segment limit than ONEs or GLOBs even under the existing rules - 24. They also have mileage limits like GLOBs.
     
  16. Dave Noble

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    No. Flights are booked to airports, not just to cities. If you want to fly into LHR and out of LGW for example that would create a surface sector

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    #17 simongr, Jun 29, 2007
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    Umm - these are completely in alignment and simongr is dim...
     
  18. NM

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    Not contradictory. City codes (such as LON, NYC, CHI) are used when interpreting rules such as maximum number of stopovers or transits through a particular city.

    But since it would require a VOID segment on a ticket for an arrival and departure from different airports (even in the same city), it will also count to the 20 segment maximum.
     
  19. simongr

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    Sorry - my stupidity - only reading half a sentence :(
     
  20. Keith009

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    But it is perfectly possible to create open dated coupons that only indicate city codes and hence not creating VOID segments. So this might be a way to get around the problem since the entire itinerary can be left open dated but for the first intercontinental segment and any preceding segments. You could make reservations for the actual flights after ticketing such segments open dated.
     
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