"oneworld" award (132.4K/249.6K/318K/455K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

[Aussie Doc]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Yep, Finnair and British. Is it allowed to use more than 2 non-Qantas? Our current route also uses AA in North America and can also use Cathay Pacific to get to Osaka. (So Qantas + 4 others)

 

[serfty]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

See post 2 of this thread for the rules ... how far is it and how many stopovers. Note that 'ground/surface' segements count for total distance and each is considered a stopover.

 

[Aussie Doc]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Thanks for that Serfty. What you're saying is that I'm not allowed so many flights as it is too many stopovers?

 

[serfty]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Plug your routing into gcmap.com, including the land segments and see how far it is

 

[Aussie Doc]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Yeah I'd checked that, total distance including land segments is around 46000 km, so within the limits. So the issue then is the number of airports?

 

[aikman]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Yeah I'd checked that, total distance including land segments is around 46000 km, so within the limits. So the issue then is the number of airports?

It looks like you have under calculated the number of miles in your trip.

There are no oneworld flights from SIN-KIX, KIX-FCO & YVR-SYD. You must be going via other cities which adds miles to the trip which means you could be over the limit.

 

[Aussie Doc]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

It looks like you have under calculated the number of miles in your trip.

There are no oneworld flights from SIN-KIX, KIX-FCO & YVR-SYD. You must be going via other cities which adds miles to the trip which means you could be over the limit.

Good thought!

I went back and included HKG, HEL and DFW as the intermediates for those flights, all up comes to 48906 km, as our actual flights would be syd-sin-hkg-kix-hel-fco-lhr-jfk-yyc-yvr-dfw-syd which still is under the 56k limit.

So it doesn't seem to be because of the distance. What else might be making it cost more points than the expected 140k each?
Thanks!

 

[deejo77]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Copy and paste the itinerary in instead of spooning half the information so we can look at it for you

 

[Aussie Doc]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Thanks for the help so far

Just redid the test booking online and noticed something interesting.
Interesting as flying syd-sin-hkg-kix-hel-fco-lhr-jfk-dfw-yyc-yvr-lax-syd is 47k km's, but costs 226k points each, however changing the final leg to be YVR-DFW-SYD makes the trip longer overall at 50k km's, and drops it down to only 140k points each.

Looks like the following will work for us.

Flight 1	From	To	Flight	Travel Class	Award Type	Baggage
Sat 26 Apr 14	09:40 Sydney Duration: 8h 20m	16:00 Singapore Stops: 0	QF81	Economy	oneworld	Per Adult : 2 pieces
Flight 2	From	To	Flight	Travel Class	Award Type	Baggage
Wed 30 Apr 14	07:00 Singapore Duration: 3h 55m	10:55 Hong Kong Stops: 0	CX650	Economy	oneworld	Per Adult : 20 kg
	13:20 Hong Kong Duration: 5h 40m	20:00 Osaka (Kansai International) Stops: 1	CX564	Economy
	Total duration: 12h 00m
= Flight Operated by Cathay Pacific
Flight 3	From	To	Flight	Travel Class	Award Type	Baggage
Mon 5 May 14	10:45 Osaka (Kansai International) Duration: 10h 15m	15:00 Helsinki Stops: 0	AY78	Economy	oneworld	Per Adult : 1 piece
	16:20 Helsinki Duration: 3h 25m	18:45 Rome (Fiumicino) Stops: 0	AY783	Economy
	Total duration: 15h 00m
= Flight Operated by Finnair
Flight 4	From	To	Flight	Travel Class	Award Type	Baggage
Sun 18 May 14	08:30 London (Heathrow) Duration: 7h 30m	11:00 New York (JFK) Stops: 0	BA117	Economy	oneworld	Per Adult : 1 piece
= Flight Operated by British Airways
Flight 5	From	To	Flight	Travel Class	Award Type	Baggage
Sat 31 May 14	06:00 New York (La Guardia) Duration: 3h 55m	08:55 Dallas Fort Worth Stops: 0	AA705	Economy	oneworld	Per Adult : 0 pieces
	10:55 Dallas Fort Worth Duration: 3h 45m	13:40 Calgary Stops: 0	AA2081	Economy
	Total duration: 9h 40m
= Flight Operated by American Airlines
Flight 6	From	To	Flight	Travel Class	Award Type	Baggage
Fri 6 Jun 14	08:45 Vancouver Duration: 4h 00m	14:45 Dallas Fort Worth Stops: 0	AA282	Economy	oneworld	Per Adult : 2 pieces
	21:55 Dallas Fort Worth Duration: 19h 15m	08:10 Sun Sydney Stops: 1	QF8	Economy
	Total duration: 30h 25m
= Flight Operated by American Airlines

280k points for 2 people

Not sure why changing the final flight to be via DFW rather than LAX makes such a big difference? Qantas for both of them.

 

[deejo77]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

I am glad it has worked out for you (what airline was the Vancouver to LAX?)...only one suggestion try and change flight 4 so you don't have BA or UK departure tax. If you can go out of Paris it would probably drop your taxes/surcharge

 

[Aussie Doc]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Good thinking! I'll try that!

 

[footy99]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Was your Vancouver - LAX leg on Alaska Airlines? That would explain it. Not a oneworld airline. That's all that is showing up for me in the classic award booking tool right now.

 

[Aussie Doc]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

At work and so don't have the other itinerary in front of me, but I suspect it was from memory.

Thanks for the help again guys

 

[Danger]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Is it possible to fly into one airport and out of another on these five stop awards (eg. into CDG and out of ORY) without it counting as an additional stop?

 

[Pfisher004]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Apologies if it is mentioned in the thread. Had a question regarding land sectors and how they are calculated especially where there is no one world direct flight. I.e how would a Rome-Athens land sector be calculated?

Also are land sectors counted as additional stops? Much like dangers question above if I was to fly into Rome and then take my next flight from Athens would this be counted as one stop or two?

Thanks in advance.

 

[liamg]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Hi everyone,

Does anyone have any hints on how far in advance I should seek to book a trip? Looking at two J tickets [SYD-LHR, LHR-BCN, MAD-ORY,CDG-HKG, HKG-NRT, NRT-SYD] in October 2014. You can only book ~ 340 days out online, but is there greater future availability on the phone? I'm QF Gold I can see a few seats in August 2014, but it's very limited. My dates aren't particularly flexible so I want to get in early.

Let's say I call on October 10th: How do I book to depart Oct 8 but, because it's too far in advance, I can't book the rest of the flights?

Thanks,

L.

 

[Joshua]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Is it possible to fly into one airport and out of another on these five stop awards (eg. into CDG and out of ORY) without it counting as an additional stop?

Airport change is considered the same city on QF, alas not for AA!

Apologies if it is mentioned in the thread. Had a question regarding land sectors and how they are calculated especially where there is no one world direct flight. I.e how would a Rome-Athens land sector be calculated?

Try gcmap, QF will calculated themselves but you'll be pretty close.

Does anyone have any hints on how far in advance I should seek to book a trip?

My dates aren't particularly flexible so I want to get in early.

You may wish to consider differing routing, like SYD-xHKG-LHR or NRT, SIN (not just the direct via DXB), KUL and DOH are other options!

I believe upthread you'll find people booking QF awards then adding more sectors later and it reprices as a alliance award. This way you can book the QF flights for 192k or similar then later add the remaining flights and it will max at the 280k, at least that's how I've read it - not something I've done myself. You will be up for the change fee but it's worth it.

 

[Jacques Vert]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Does anyone have any hints on how far in advance I should seek to book a trip?
L.

I hear bookings are heavy for mid 2014 due the Commonwealth Games in Scotland and the World Cup in Brazil. I suggest you book as early as you can and try to be flexible with dates and route.

JV

 

[randomly_chaotic]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

I've read almost this whole thread and I can't make my J booking cap out at 280k. I'm looking at MEL-EWR (Cathay pacific, via HKG), JFK-BCN (via Madrid, on Iberia), land sector back to LHR-MEL (Emirates, via DBX). I've calculated the miles, including the land sector, at just under 28,000 miles. Any suggestions for what I'm doing wrong?

TIA.

R_C

 

[bismarck]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

I've read almost this whole thread and I can't make my J booking cap out at 280k. I'm looking at MEL-EWR (Cathay pacific, via HKG), JFK-BCN (via Madrid, on Iberia), land sector back to LHR-MEL (Emirates, via DBX). I've calculated the miles, including the land sector, at just under 28,000 miles. Any suggestions for what I'm doing wrong?

TIA.

R_C

Emirates aren't a OneWorld member - that's probably your issue. Try to find a BA or Qantas service from LHR-MEL