@Captain Halliday thanks for the response. The “positioning flight” will be a seperate PNR most likely revenue when a NZ sale comes along or a points flight if QF have a discount promotion, happy to spend 3.5 in Y. I did look at SIN, KUL or CGK, DPS options but didn't fancy spending 6-7 hours getting to the start point and then returning. I am only looking at this plan as we will head to France in 2023 (was planned for this year but have pushed it back to 2023) and if travelling on a partner airline the cost is 318K points so the extra trip to Japan is just a bonus and we like Japan. As for any side trips from France these would be minimal and I would be revenue. As long as we can get to/from Japan and France in J the rest is incidental.