New US & UK Laptop/Tablet ban on up to 8 countries

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From the Age or SMH today,
"Generally checked in electronics are not covered by travel insurance. Unlike carry-on belongings, laptops or electronic items stored in the hold of an airplane are considered the airline’s responsibility, not your insurer’s, according to Comparetravelinsurance.com.au’s Natalie Ball."
From http://AirConsumer.DOT.gov/rules/webnotice_04012009.pdf
"We have become aware of tariff provisions filed by several carriers that attempt, with respect to checked baggage, to exclude certain items, generally high-cost or fragile items such as electronics, cameras, jewelry or antiques, from liability for damage, delay, loss or theft. A typical provision found in carrier tariffs and disclosed on carrier websites states that the carrier does not assume liability for loss, damage, or delay of "certain specific items, including: . . . antiques, documents, electronic equipment, film, jewelry, keys, manuscripts, medication, money, paintings, photographs . . . ."

Such exclusions, while not prohibited in domestic contracts of carriage, are in contravention of Article 17 of the Montreal Convention (Convention), as revised on May 28, 1999. Article 17 provides that carriers are liable for damaged or lost baggage if the destruction, loss or damage” occurred while the checked baggage was within the custody of the carrier, except to the extent that the damage "resulted from the inherent defect, quality or vice of the baggage." Article 19 provides that a carrier is liable for damage caused by delay in the carriage of baggage, except to the extent that it proves that it took all reasonable measures to prevent the damage or that it was impossible to take such measures. Although carriers may wish to have tariff terms that prohibit passengers from including certain items in checked baggage, once a carrier accepts checked baggage, whatever is contained in the checked baggage is protected, subject to the terms of the Convention, up to the limit of 1000 SDRs (Convention, Article 22, para.2.). Carriers should review their filed tariffs on this matter and modify their tariffs and their baggage claim policies, if necessary, to conform to the terms of the Convention. In addition, carriers should ensure that their websites do not contain improper information regarding baggage liability exclusions applicable to international service."
 
Yemen Raid Led to Laptop Ban

Yemen Raid Led to Laptop Ban said:
Three intelligence sources told The Daily Beast that the ban on carry-on electronics aboard U.S.-bound flights from 10 airports in North Africa and the Middle East was the result of information seized during the a U.S. raid on Al Qaeda in Yemen in January. The United Kingdom joined the U.S. ban Tuesday.

Information from the raid shows al Qaeda's successful development of compact, battery bombs that fit inside laptops or other devices believed to be strong enough to bring down an aircraft, the sources said. The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage. ...
 
Yemen Raid Led to Laptop Ban

Three intelligence sources told The Daily Beast that the ban on carry-on electronics aboard U.S.-bound flights from 10 airports in North Africa and the Middle East was the result of information seized during the a U.S. raid on Al Qaeda in Yemen in January. The United Kingdom joined the U.S. ban Tuesday.

Information from the raid shows al Qaeda's successful development of compact, battery bombs that fit inside laptops or other devices believed to be strong enough to bring down an aircraft, the sources said. The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage. ...

If they can put a bomb in a laptop they can put a bomb in a laptop triggered remotely by timer or temperature or altitude!

This is about Trump protectionism. Nothing more nothing less.
 
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  1. Laptops are still a risk if not more so (battery fire being undetected) when in checked baggage
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I tend to agree, especially after witnessing last week a colleagues laptop start smoking in the office! She cried out in surprise and our IT guy quickly grabbed it and pulled the battery off. Imagine if that one had of been in the hold.
 
A poorly conceived idea to try and hurt the ME3. Nothing more than that. More lives could actually be lost due to this 'policy' due to the possible battery fire issues.

The QF/EK alliance could finally have a use as the Australian Government will not against the UAE as it will harm QF as well.
 
This is about Trump protectionism. Nothing more nothing less.

100% Agree.

The ban will be highly effective in ONE THING only, and that's hurting the bottom line of ME3 carriers.

If there really was some kind of security issue - ALL flights WORLDWIDE would have this ban.
There is so much wrong with this BS ban, I can't believe people are so ****ing stupid to buy into this garbage.
 
Another stupid decision that messes things up for normal travelers. Any evil-doers will simply choose a route via Europe to the USA if this is what they have in mind. Hell, they can simply buy drones and do what they want.

I'm a HLO traveler unless I am coming home after a huge shopping trip and I really don't want my DSLR and cheap laptop being checked. I hope this insanity doesn't spread to Australia and other countries. My DSLR is fairly cheap but I know birders with gear worth in the $10,000's, professional photographers. How can a camera be a threat that can't be inspected at security scanners as is currently done.
yes I would hate to think how much the camera gear Mr FM travels with costs - he has already said he would be pretty unhappy at having to check it in. All seems rather silly - as you say so many ways around current bans for evil doers :(
 
100% Agree.

The ban will be highly effective in ONE THING only, and that's hurting the bottom line of ME3 carriers.

If there really was some kind of security issue - ALL flights WORLDWIDE would have this ban.
There is so much wrong with this BS ban, I can't believe people are so ****ing stupid to buy into this garbage.

Ok,I'll bite. I don't really care who's at the White House or Downing Street, but one thing with "over the top" air safety rules is that they have always been implemented out of sync with the events first showing a risk.

For all I know the first "liquid" bomb was used on flight PR434 in 1994, but the current 100 mL liquid limits we now have were implemented 12 years later after a bunch of terrorists in the UK were planning to use an updated version of the liquid bomb on flights to the US.

Now about the incident with the Daallo plane explosion in Somalia, we already knew last February that the bomb was in a laptop that apparently made it through security screening and now 13 months later some potentially "over the top" new safety rule is being enacted.

I hope the laptop rule is not here to stay...but looking at the situation with liquids we might have to check in our laptops for the foreseeable future...

P.S. We don't know if the US would have put their own carriers on the list since quite conveniently the US airlines don't have a big international reach in Africa and ME...but we know that their good friend and ally did put their own carrier on their list (i.e BA).
 
Ok,I'll bite. I don't really care who's at the White House or Downing Street, but one thing with "over the top" air safety rules is that they have always been implemented out of sync with the events first showing a risk.

For all I know the first "liquid" bomb was used on flight PR434 in 1994, but the current 100 mL liquid limits we now have were implemented 12 years later after a bunch of terrorists in the UK were planning to use an updated version of the liquid bomb on flights to the US.

Now about the incident with the Daallo plane explosion in Somalia, we already knew last February that the bomb was in a laptop that apparently made it through security screening and now 13 months later some potentially "over the top" new safety rule is being enacted.

I hope the laptop rule is not here to stay...but looking at the situation with liquids we might have to check in our laptops for the foreseeable future...

P.S. We don't know if the US would have put their own carriers on the list since quite conveniently the US airlines don't have a big international reach in Africa and ME...but we know that their good friend and ally did put their own carrier on their list (i.e BA).

By that logic, the world should ban US carriers because they've been involved in crippling terrorist attacks.

DXB/AUH/DOH are some of the most advanced airports in the world and have better security measures than MANY MANY other airports globally.

The fact UK copied the US and didn't include ME3 carriers is further proof it's bogus
 
By that logic, the world should ban US carriers because they've been involved in crippling terrorist attacks.

DXB/AUH/DOH are some of the most advanced airports in the world and have better security measures than MANY MANY other airports globally.

The fact UK copied the US and didn't include ME3 carriers is further proof it's bogus

But all airport safety rules are partially bogus. There is no limit on liquids in the cabin in Australia dom flights (and somehow planes are not falling from the sky!:confused:).
My post was simply about the timing of introducing these measures and how long before things evolve. As mentioned earlier in this thread, in August 2006 I flew to London and was only allowed my passport and a toothbrush in the cabin and this lasted 3 days (so was obviously a bit too much...).

I have to say I was really surprised to see Saudi Arabia on that list since it is the bestest friend for ever of the US!!
 
If there was some threat issue related to laptops, tablets, etc, there is no need to ban them anyway. Power on, xray, ETD swab.
 
Unfortunately I can, for far too many people (and I'd apply this to both sides) just seem to lose their power of rational thought when it comes to politics.

Absolutely correct. Just look at how many voted for him, and now he's kicking many of them in the guts, but they'll still vote for him. No different to Brexit, though.

Back to the laptop ban, I think I might see a small silver lining in it for me. Without my laptop, camera and sundry accessories, my carry on will be much lighter and may even get close to 7 Kg's. And it'll be interesting to see if I can get by with just a couple of phones.
 
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Absolutely correct. Just look at how many voted for him, and now he's kicking many of them in the guts, but they'll still vote for him. No different to Brexit, though.

Back to the laptop ban, I think I might see a small silver lining in it for me. Without my laptop, camera and sundry accessories, my carry on will be much lighter and may even get close to 7 Kg's. And it'll be interesting to see if I can get by with just a couple of phones.

I guess the first line falls into the category of "Anyone who voted for Trump or Brexit is stupid." Ho-hum. :rolleyes: The outrage against Jean-Claude Juncker will be deafening, no doubt, if the EU follows suit. Stooopid Europeans!

If you are really lucky, your checked bags will also be lighter ... but only when you collect them at the destination. Obviously Trump and May have done deals with the crims at their respective airports ... a nice little earner from second hand electronics ;) .
 
The issue raises discussions about contingency plans in the eventuality that your business laptop gets stolen from checked luggage. Not a problem really if the machine is stolen since Bit-Locker or other whole disk encryption and a strong password or fingerprint login protects your personal data on the machine. I'm thinking that one can backup the machine to a small hard drive and take that with you in hand luggage, put the backup on the cloud or even store the backup on your phone. Then buy a new model of the same type of machine (laptop, Surface etc), restore the backup and one is back working again. Using Office 365 one could keep the data in the cloud or office drives connected via a VPN and recover email logins, database links, VPN details from a portable device.

Doesn't seem difficult providing one has made contingency planning.
 
The WaPo agrees. It's not a security thing, it's something to disadvantage the subsidised airlines of the ME.

Watch when the ME3 carriers start flying the exact same routes as US carriers, and this ban backfires.
 
As a pro photographer, this is going to be a huge PITA. I don't choose where I fly to (the client sees to that) and depending upon the schedule, sometimes I don't get the choice of airline as I'd like either.

I carry the minimum I can get away with as hand luggage so that I can still shoot if the other gear ends up swanning around Timbuktu!! From experience, however, packing it in the hold is not an acceptable alternative. We travel with special camera cases, designed to protect photographic equipment for those items that can go into the hold, and have had gear packed in these, smashed beyond repair on several occasions and also had gear go swanning around the world for 6 months on another two occasions.

The BBC also brought up a very valid point today as well, regarding the security of data on laptops - would companies be happy to have their employees packing sensitive information into bags that could be destroyed, lost or stolen?

And when did lith-ion batteries suddenly become safe - last time I checked most airlines forbade such items to be packed in hold baggage due to the danger of them catching fire.:rolleyes:

Guess I'll just sit back and watch my travel insurance policy rise ridiculously, to cover the increases in damage and theft claims.:mrgreen:
 
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