New SQ flights to US from Oz

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Singapore means business, will undercut Qantas | NEWS.com.au

SINGAPORE Airlines plans to cash in on the highly lucrative route to the US by introducing a business class-only service across the Pacific.


And in the process it will undercut the equivalent Qantas business fare to New York by almost $7000.


For business travel this week on its 747-400 service, Qantas is charging $16,927 before tax - or a whopping $17,365.11 when tax is included.


The Pacific route is a virtual fiefdom for Qantas and until recently was protected by an Australia-US treaty.


While those arrangements changed last month, the route remains under the command of the national carrier.


Peter Harbison, the executive chairman of the Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation, said Qantas charges what it does because it has little competition.


"It averages year-round load factors of 82 per cent and virtually controls the route," Mr Harbison said.

United Airlines, the only other carrier to operate non-stop Australia-to-the-US services, has much older aircraft.


The new business-only service from Singapore Airlines (SIA) will cost Australians $10,222 before taxes.


SIA is banned by Australia from competing with Qantas on direct Australia-US flights.


But it will evade the ban by using ultra-long haul planes to fly the 19 hours non-stop from Singapore.


SIA announced yesterday that it will use its five Airbus 340-5 series jetliners on the route.


Each is being converted to four abreast seating, with passenger numbers cut from 181 to 100 people - who will travel on 76cm wide armchairs that convert to beds for sleeping.


The seats are the same design as those fitted to SIA's new A380 superjumbos and on its Boeing 777-300 long-range fleet.


SIA's executive vice-president, marketing and regions, Huang Cheng Eng, said the decision to reconfigure the planes recognised the popularity of business travel.


But Australians who choose to fly business with SIA will spend up to 27-hours in the air.


This compares with 19 hours from Australia with Qantas, because of the eight hours flying time from Australia to Singapore to meet the New York connection.


Qantas charges the most expensive business class fare of any airline operating to New York from Australia.


A ticket to New York via London can be bought for less from British Airways.

Who charges what to get to the Big Apple
Singapore via Singapore $10,222
JAL via Tokyo $7038
Thai via Bangkok $7561
United via LA $9702
British via London $13,500
Qantas via LA/SF $16,927
 
And yet the seats are always full and you can fly via Japan cheap.
So does anybody really think QF is worried ? i would not think so.

Not to mention via Singapore is a rather the long way around. I will still believe the prices SQ charge when i can see them and buy the tickets.

E
 
I thought you could already book them. The flights themselves aren't new, they just have economy as well at the moment. Checking the SQ website seems to indicate that they can be booked now.
 
Isnt it premium economy currently SIN-EWR?

Also isnt the flight to EWR rather than JFK?

to be honest if you are wanting to save money you can already do a circle pacific and fly pretty cheaply to the US.

Quite a misleading article header - hmm wonder how much advertising SQ do on "news".com.au ...
 
To be fair the average pax wanting to do a simple return trip to the US wouldn't have thought of a circle pacific fare.
 
QF009 said:
To be fair the average pax wanting to do a simple return trip to the US wouldn't have thought of a circle pacific fare.

I doubt that many would consider going via Singapore (at least if you are doing it from SYD or MEL. From PER going up through Asia involves somewhat less going backwards).
 
simongr said:
Isnt it premium economy currently SIN-EWR?

Also isnt the flight to EWR rather than JFK?

to be honest if you are wanting to save money you can already do a circle pacific and fly pretty cheaply to the US.

Quite a misleading article header - hmm wonder how much advertising SQ do on "news".com.au ...

I thought the current configuration was business and premium economy (or Raffles and Executive Economy in SQ parlance)
 
The current J and Y+ config aircraft are all being converted to a full J config.
So Y+ is only bookable for some time in the near future, i was reading the artical in the Straits Times in the last couple of days.

Hey, dont give people ideas about using circle pacific ;) they may want to put the price up.

What i suspect however is this artical is quoteing the full fare for QF and the SQ fare is not the full fare but rather the discount fare.

E
 
oz_mark said:
I thought the current configuration was business and premium economy (or Raffles and Executive Economy in SQ parlance)

That's what I meant - Y+ rather than Y

@evan - surely a journalist wouldhave thoroughly researched his/her prices to ensure a like for like (including YQ charges) comparison rather than just taking the worst to again beat QF over the head....
 
simongr said:
That's what I meant - Y+ rather than Y

@evan - surely a journalist wouldhave thoroughly researched his/her prices to ensure a like for like (including YQ charges) comparison rather than just taking the worst to again beat QF over the head....

Well, I just did a search on a random date, and got answers pretty close to what the journalist got.
 
simongr said:
That's what I meant - Y+ rather than Y

@evan - surely a journalist wouldhave thoroughly researched his/her prices to ensure a like for like (including YQ charges) comparison rather than just taking the worst to again beat QF over the head....

You seem to be an apologist for that rapacious corporation Qantas.

Why is that?
 
I may seem to be but if I was I would be sticking with the QF program and wouldnt advocate AAdvantage at every oppotunity or encourage people to book DONE4s through AA rather than QF, I wouldn't try and book most of my flights on other carriers only flying QF if i had to, I wouldnt constantly complain to QF about the quality of their product and reflect on the poor service I frequently get on QF in my trip reports.

Frankly I find the reporting in the press about QF to be constantly negative and harking back to an age of travel that no longer exists. Every mechanical fault for QF is reported with glee and every attempt by QF to maximise their profit to their owners (not the Australian general public) is reported like they are robber barons slowly throwing people out their homes. People seem to want it back to the good old days of the QF/Ansett duopoly as everything was rosy then - flying QF was like being gently carried on soft cushions with ambrosia being fed by 19 year old nymphettes.

I think reporting it as direct flights to the US is misleading - the flights arent direct and they arent to the US. Also I am not sure what is new about this - SQ have been flying direct to EWR for some time - all that has happened is that there are now more J seats on the aircraft.

As a business QF have the right to charge whatever the price they want - I don't think it is right that this should be a protected route but the people who are allowed to vote can determine that - I have no input to it and since I have lived here nothing has changed so it can't be that big a deal can it?
 
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simongr said:
That's what I meant - Y+ rather than Y

@evan - surely a journalist wouldhave thoroughly researched his/her prices to ensure a like for like (including YQ charges) comparison rather than just taking the worst to again beat QF over the head....

hahaha, maybe... once you read the Straits Times you may have a different opinion but it is delivered to my hotel door handle every morning so i tend to pick it up just to glance at it and find 1 or 2 things to read.

Me i love QF, and i am supprised the JL deal was so cheap, thats not a bad price, maybe it will go up once all planes feature the new product.

SQ J is also great, but generally on the routes i fly very expensive and i would prefer to keep my OW status anyway since i cant have status in both with my limited travel.

I guess we will find out soon how popular it is, and i am sure some willl take it, but i am also sure that the people who do wont be vacating QF J seats to do it.

E
 
Evan said:
I guess we will find out soon how popular it is, and i am sure some willl take it, but i am also sure that the people who do wont be vacating QF J seats to do it.

E

I have already advised our procurement manager, who was invited by QF to view the new seats, that if she decides to change the travel policy - they will be looking for a new head of audit.
 
oz_mark said:
I doubt that many would consider going via Singapore (at least if you are doing it from SYD or MEL. From PER going up through Asia involves somewhat less going backwards).

My TA mentioned that TG and SQ are surprisingly popular options on the route. Even in whY! :shock:

I suppose business travellers wouldn't have the time to do anything but the most direct options though.
 
Evan said:
I guess we will find out soon how popular it is...
The J cabin on the direct services are popular with the corporate market, though I am not sure if they have much ex-Oz traffic.

Anyway the bottomline is that the demand for the J cabin far exceeded supply on the A345 services, and it's obviously a v profitable operation. OTOH Y+ was massively underperforming. So it only made sense to get rid of Y+ in order to offer more J seats.
 
I'm more than happy to use the AA/QF el'cheapo service (QF BNE/SYD-NRT, AA NRT-DFW/JFK/LAX)... My leisure time is relatively precious, but the extended route is also fun to fly sometimes. A 12-20 hour stopover in Tokyo is also quite a nice break to a journey.

SQ may fill in this type of niche, although I'm yet to be convinced that Business traveller's would want to fly this type of route.
 
simongr said:
I have already advised our procurement manager, who was invited by QF to view the new seats, that if she decides to change the travel policy - they will be looking for a new head of audit.

Very subtle ;)
 
I am not one for subtle games - one question I asked at my interview was "What is the travel policy and is there any hint of a change?"
 
QF009 said:
My TA mentioned that TG and SQ are surprisingly popular options on the route. Even in whY! :shock:

I suppose business travellers wouldn't have the time to do anything but the most direct options though.

As I wrote in another thread, TG ex Singapore is the cheapest proper J ticket you can get to US (Philippine airlines et al do not count), with taxes SIN-LAX it is about 5K SGD. For me it is only 2 hours extra to BKK and the a couple of hours in the lounge (and then a few days looking for my luggage, but that is a different story). TG Y+ is 6.8K! Go figure. And TG Y is just cruel: non stop flights in cramped Y. I am not sure whether I would do the trip up from Aus though, maybe only from Perth.

I loved SQ Y+. It was only a matter of time it was culled as the price difference was less than 10%. RIP
 
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